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john greenwald is here the black vault

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announcement tonight of his new book it

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forget when i first discovered it and i

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hit this river moon coffee today the uk

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parliament rejected all eight

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two recent crashes of the boeing max 8.

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that boeing has accepted responsibility

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all assault rifles all high-capacity

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magazines all modifications to said guns

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all of this following the mass shootings

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but she expects everything to be passed

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in the next two weeks

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that's it and the list that she gave of

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everything that was banned was

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unbelievable

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everything

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crazy

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now another huge announcement today

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rachel maddow

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okay

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rachel you know glasses

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her nightly news show

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has slipped from number one in cable

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news

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to number

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six

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that's right

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all this happened since special counsel

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robert mueller turned into his report

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last friday

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hemorrhaging

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a half a million viewers

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rachel

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unbelievable everybody at her network

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msnbc

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nothing's going on nothing to see here

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everything is fine and you know what the

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response was to to to the

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to the death spiral

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in viewers

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we got the 2020 elections coming up

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there's going to be plenty of stuff to

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feed on we're going to be just fine

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that was the response

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absolutely incredible you got to be

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careful um

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and not saying anything directly uh

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directed at rachel i'm saying this to

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everybody out there we've seen a lot of

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talking heads and show hosts and stuff

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that have taken

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you know you walk that that very thin

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line

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and you go out there and you take the

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chances and you roll the dice

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um and you sensationalize

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you've got to be careful

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you've got to be really really careful

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especially when you're dealing with

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those kind of numbers but that's it in

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less than a space of a week and we'll

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see if she'll start to recover that's

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what's interesting now also right before

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the show huge breaking news

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a federal jury

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has now awarded 80 million dollars to a

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california man after determining that

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monsanto's popular weed killer roundup

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was a substantial factor in causing his

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cancer

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and that the corporation is liable that

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was just released

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now uh right before the show

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i i forgot to mention this

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uh because it broke on uh over the

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weekend uh last week after the show so i

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didn't get a chance to get to it

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but uh la county los angeles county

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has banned roundup

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that's right

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and when you

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think about

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uh nobody

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i don't care who you are in southern

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california

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um nobody here

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does

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yard work

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right we have gardeners and they are

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everywhere every single day

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every morning the army of of trucks

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heads out and it's cool it's it's it's

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great it's awesome it's great business

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for the landscapers out there and

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and uh and we don't do yard work

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but there's a lot of roundup that was

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being sprayed here and it is now

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banned

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in los angeles county i can't speak for

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the rest of the state

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but la which never never is first in

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anything

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was the first to step up and ban roundup

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here in california

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all right let's get this show cracking

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i was actually playing uh

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all night long

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june 3rd in indian wells palm springs

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we're doing of course we have our booth

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and i'll be hanging out with everybody

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all weekend we'll

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undoubtedly have another sensational

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fade or not party

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off-site somewhere at a secret location

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uh so we're going to be doing that

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friday night we're going to broadcast

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live in front of a studio audience like

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we do every year you don't want to miss

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that saturday night i am hosting the

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awards dinner

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and you've got to get separate tickets

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to that it's going to sell out here soon

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so you want to get your tickets to the

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awards dinner i want all fader knots

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there and that is saturday night and

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then of course sunday night like i do

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every year i'll be hosting the closing

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night panel and ceremonies okay

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contact in the desert dot com and then

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it's our 2019 soltech conference soltec

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2.0

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and it's over the july 4th weekend at

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the sunrise ranch in loveland colorado

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you can sign up for tickets and info at

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soultechgathering.com and we've got a

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soul tech gathering official

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facebook page

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right there you can look it up too as

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well

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soltec gathering official

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on facebook click on that and get signed

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up okay the soul tech gathering uh

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facebook page

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is private

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that's right

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it's for attendees

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yeah it's for people that want to ask

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questions about soul tech so head over

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check it out we've got lots of really

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cool stuff posted over there already at

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and i respond to them all ask anybody

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that writes me on that email they get a

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pretty much

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yeah so you get that and you get

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everything is right there in our

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membership section on the uh on the site

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including autographed shirts and hats

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let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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quentin tarantino

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is the double nickel

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yep

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quentin tarantino is 55 years old today

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he's got a new film coming out it's

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called once upon a time in hollywood

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and it's got uh brad pitt and

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uh dicaprio

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but also features

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bruce lee

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yeah it's coming out in may i cannot

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wait

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for that once upon a time

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in hollywood also today fergie

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is 43 years old and nathan fillion

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nathan fillion remember nathan today

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he's 47

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starred in the tv series firefly that

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was cancelled

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and

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shouldn't have been we all know that now

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and then uh after a fan supported uh

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drive

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they didn't get the series rebooted but

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they did get a movie made and it's

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called serenity it's amazing too as well

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serenity the the movie

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i don't know what you i i don't know

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i don't know which one's better which

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one's better the series firefly

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or the movie

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you know serenity about firefly i don't

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know

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i can vote that's a coin toss what do

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you have to say tell me on twitter right

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now what's better serenity or firefly

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nathan fillion today is 47. all right

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1990

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you gotta love the cia man

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1990

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tv marty

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begins broadcasting

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into cuba

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that's right

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probably from a freighter offshore maybe

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from florida

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and it was another failed attempt to

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undermine the regime of cuban leader

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fidel castro by the united states

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and the first days broadcast

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on tv marty

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though that programming included

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the world series

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right baseball

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music videos

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and replays

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of kate and ali

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the sitcom

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and there you go otd on the same history

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fader fact

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check this out now this is this is

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vetted

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you gotta listen to this

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14 year old garrett blank

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that's his name garrett blank

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survived a direct hit by a meteorite as

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it moved to earth at more than thirty

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thousand miles per hour he was on his

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way to school

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when the p sized ball of light

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bounced off of him

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leaving a foot wide crater in the ground

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in a three-inch scar on his hand

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and that

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is your fader fact he got lucky he got

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lucky hit his hand

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unbelievable tonight john greenwald is

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here

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we're going to announce his new book

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it's called inside the black vault and

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we're going to talk about all of his

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latest research

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coming on the heels of what happened

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yesterday

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when

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our vice president mike pence announced

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that the united states

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is going back to the moon and plans to

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land astronauts within the next five

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years

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the nation has been shooting for a 2028

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lunar touchdown but

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according to pence that is just not good

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enough

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and he said this during the fifth

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meeting of the national space council

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00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,360
the nsc

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which he chairs by the way and he said

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you know hey we're better than that so

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it is now the official policy in the

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united states to return astronauts to

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the surface of the moon by

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2024.

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now

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apparently they want to invoke a new

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21st century space race

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with china and russia and china and

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russia

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have been landing on the moon with uh

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without men allegedly don't know

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but we've got a bona fide space race in

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front of us and it reminds me

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of the 1960s and it's kind of exciting

597
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because no nobody has set foot on the

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moon

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allegedly since nasa's apollo 17 mission

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and that was in december

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of

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1972. i want to remind everybody i don't

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the united states is now committed to

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00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,279
stay according to pence

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he's saying that

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00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,919
this everything involves establishing a

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permanent base on the lunar surface

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and developing the technologies to take

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american astronauts to mars and beyond

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end quote

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that base will likely be built near the

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moon's south pole

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that's right because

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there's water and lots of it

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00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,440
that's right in all of those shallow

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shadowed craters the nfc which helps

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00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,559
steer this and streamline the nation

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space policy will recommend today

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that nasa's next crude surface mission

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target

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that region

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the vice president acknowledged that the

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aggressiveness of the 2024 timeline but

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00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,440
he stressed that it is totally

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00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:00,400
achievable citing how we pulled it off

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with apollo 11 in 1969 after announcing

627
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,440
12 years before

628
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,640
the dawn of the space age

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so what's really going on here

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00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,760
are we actually now i need i need

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everybody to think about the enormity of

632
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what was announced yesterday combined

633
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with everything else that i announced to

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you

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every single day

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00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,679
right

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think about this

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we

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together

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this audience

641
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,600
are gonna watch

642
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,960
americans

643
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,720
astronauts

644
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,799
on the moon

645
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,240
soon

646
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,520
five years is going to go by in a blink

647
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,039
a blink

648
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,960
we are going to see all of the testing

649
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,559
we've got uh

650
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,919
uh all of the uh the crew capsules that

651
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,240
are gonna get tested all of the rockets

652
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,960
we're gonna do test flights to the moon

653
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,880
man and unmanned

654
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:03,919
yeah

655
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,039
and then on the moon by 2024 it is 2019

656
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,320
we're almost halfway through 2019

657
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,520
right

658
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,120
it's april

659
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,120
think about that for a second

660
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,559
it's absolutely incredible tonight john

661
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,880
greenwald is on the show we are going to

662
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,360
be talking about the black vault and his

663
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,080
new book inside the black vault we're

664
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:29,840
going to break all of that down

665
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,200
and of course he is always

666
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,919
doing his run-ins with the cia

667
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,320
and all the other three-letter agencies

668
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:41,679
getting his document dumps on uh the ufo

669
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,120
enigma and and everything else that is

670
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,799
around it so we're going to discuss his

671
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,440
latest research tonight too as well

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church email is jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com

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at jchurchradio and you can follow john

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kg r a

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the planets

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you can follow me right now on twitter

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at j church radio

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox coming engage

778
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in the conversation

779
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:32,640
you can follow john greenwald at the

780
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,440
black no i'm sorry at blackvault.com

781
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,640
don't ask me why he chose that for uh

782
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,200
twitter but he did okay it's that simple

783
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,960
black vault com

784
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,640
tonight john's going to be discussing

785
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,039
his much anticipated new book

786
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,360
it is called inside the black vault and

787
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,799
we're also going to talk about all of

788
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,200
his reach recent documents and

789
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,360
and uh revelations about different

790
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,440
subjects that he has been

791
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:01,760
getting into lately like atip and of

792
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,880
course the dia and ttsa is going to be

793
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,960
in there too as well i'm sure i don't

794
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,320
know how we're going to avoid that

795
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,919
subject but

796
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,839
john began researching the inner

797
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:13,919
workings of the us government all the

798
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,440
way back in 1996 at the age of 15. he

799
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,240
targeted such groups as the cia don't

800
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,720
ask me why the fbi the pentagon air

801
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,440
force army navy nsa dia and countless

802
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,320
others greenwald utilized the freedom of

803
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,240
information act to gain access to

804
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,879
thousands of records he accumulated an

805
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,480
astonishing number of documents on

806
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,639
topics related to ufos the jfk

807
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,280
assassination chemical biological and

808
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,720
nuclear weapons we're going to talk

809
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,000
about that tonight

810
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:45,839
and top secret aircraft greenwald named

811
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,520
his online archive the black vault

812
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,760
that's right his teenage project turned

813
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,839
into the largest private online

814
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,720
collection anywhere in the world with

815
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,480
millions and millions of pages of

816
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,280
material and at the age of 21 greenwald

817
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,680
published his first book beyond ufo

818
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,480
secrecy and he did that in 2002 it was

819
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,280
later put into a second expanded edition

820
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,160
and was republished by galdur press in

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00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,040
january 2008 i would like to welcome

822
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,960
back to fade to black

823
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:19,040
john greenwald john good evening man how

824
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,160
are you

825
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,240
good evening i'm good i'm good it's good

826
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,640
to be back yeah it's great to have you

827
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,640
back and you know i don't know if you

828
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,960
heard the intro to the show

829
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,520
but i did okay okay and thank you by the

830
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,280
way and i'm i'm afraid i'm not going to

831
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,079
live up to that but but but when did we

832
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,760
first meet

833
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,040
all right i have an answer for you

834
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:40,640
because i looked it up because i didn't

835
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,839
know i'm getting old okay all right so

836
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,760
in person we knew each other right

837
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,960
before but the first in-person meet

838
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,599
uh and i don't know when we we first met

839
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,119
prior to this

840
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:55,760
but in 2015

841
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,240
the mufon symposium 2016

842
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,119
was contact in the desert okay all right

843
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,200
yeah so if you recall when i ran into

844
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,520
you well i didn't run into you but i saw

845
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,599
you so i started texting you

846
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,599
at contact because i you look like you

847
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,160
were in an in-depth conversation and i

848
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,680
just wanted to see if you'd check your

849
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,760
phone it was just one of those things

850
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,440
that i wanted to see

851
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,160
okay so now okay so then

852
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:23,520
then i

853
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,520
i remember this moment you were at the

854
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,839
bar by yourself

855
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,800
and i walked up to you no don't say that

856
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,960
that makes me sound like a real bad

857
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,599
lonely guy and and you know because you

858
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,720
were working and and so apparently in

859
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,359
between introducing people you go down

860
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,880
to the bar and have a drink and i think

861
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,720
that's what you were doing

862
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,400
and i walked out

863
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,800
i walked up to you and said hey john can

864
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,240
i buy you a drink

865
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,200
and you and i uh stood at the bar for i

866
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:57,200
don't know probably 15 minutes a half

867
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,480
hour or so

868
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:00,960
and and that was the first thing but i

869
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,160
was so nervous man i remember that i was

870
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,520
just like

871
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,480
it's john greenwald he's right there and

872
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,359
and i appreciate it yeah it's the truth

873
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:12,880
it's really true so

874
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,640
and and the reason for that is this is i

875
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,359
along with so many others john

876
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:20,839
have spent

877
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,440
days

878
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,079
combing through the black vault

879
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,920
and and i used to just uh anticipate me

880
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,520
getting home when i could jump on the

881
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,720
computer

882
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,640
and and get over to the black vault

883
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,839
because

884
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,599
you were posting stuff and it was

885
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,359
constant and it was

886
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,200
new every time you posted something that

887
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,040
was fresh it was there

888
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,680
and i didn't know your age and i didn't

889
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,720
find that out too much later uh that

890
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:52,320
might have freaked me out a little bit

891
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:53,040
but

892
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:58,560
were two websites back then

893
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,839
uh it was the black vault and uh

894
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,040
ufo mind

895
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,480
what uh

896
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,160
uh the one that was done out of las

897
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,000
vegas

898
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,480
oh yeah there was yeah that's going back

899
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:15,040
away that wasn't my site uh but yeah

900
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:15,920
that

901
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,240
kind of defunct and

902
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,240
no longer around i don't think no at

903
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,640
least maybe archived version there's

904
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,359
there's archive versions of it but i i

905
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,440
that was uh you know it was the black

906
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,920
vault and ufo mind that those were my

907
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,240
resources uh back then

908
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,480
and and i've said it so many times you

909
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,680
know the black vault especially when it

910
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:45,920
uh kicked off was the reason to get the

911
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,119
internet you know it was such an amazing

912
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:51,760
resource for everybody did you did you

913
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,119
understand back then at your age the

914
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,040
impact that the black vault had on this

915
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,320
community and how many people were there

916
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,480
no to be blatantly honest with you i

917
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,960
mean i i when i started it at 15 i mean

918
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,880
i couldn't even afford a scanner you

919
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,599
know

920
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,320
to get the documents into an image form

921
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:12,640
right and to be honest with you is 1996.

922
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,680
so html was not to be geeky but it was

923
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,119
very much in its

924
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,160
somewhat infant stages pdfs were not

925
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,520
even that common you know at the time

926
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,760
and so i was literally typing them in by

927
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,520
hand and i didn't know if anybody was

928
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,640
reading it and i got a private uh

929
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,960
donation to buy a

930
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,800
scanner so i knew at least one person

931
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,720
was paying attention because

932
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,640
this gentleman came out of nowhere and

933
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,440
he i i mean he really deserves a thanks

934
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,800
and he didn't want any credit or

935
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,839
anything

936
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:46,000
but uh but he came out of out of the

937
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,359
blue and just said hey i've been

938
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,920
watching you since you started and uh i

939
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,920
was only around for a few months and i

940
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,000
was 15 years old and he believed in me

941
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,400
and he gave me money to buy a scanner

942
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,800
and and that was it i mean i just kind

943
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,440
of went from there and i mean i think i

944
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,760
i think i zonked out on typing in by

945
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,160
hand at about 300 pages right and that's

946
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,839
what i had online

947
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,000
and now i'm over 2 million uh pages

948
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:12,079
scanned you know i don't i don't type

949
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,200
them anymore

950
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:16,000
but you know it is changed a lot and the

951
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,280
answer go back to your question and

952
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,520
answer it i had no idea and i still kind

953
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,440
of have no idea i mean i see numbers and

954
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,839
stuff and kind of scratch my head going

955
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,680
do people care you know do they really

956
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,960
want this stuff

957
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,040
but uh but but right now i mean the site

958
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,000
serves about 15 to 20 000 people a day

959
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,240
uh if not more and so obviously people

960
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,079
are paying attention and and they want

961
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,839
the they want the raw stuff they want

962
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,520
the documents they want the evidence

963
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,560
that they can hold and feel and and so

964
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,640
on so you know my insecurity comes

965
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,240
around a little bit and goes ah no one

966
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,520
really cares and then i look at the

967
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,880
numbers and i go wow a lot of people

968
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,119
care so it's a good feeling to see those

969
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,839
numbers is there a difference between

970
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,319
what an adult would do

971
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:57,839
you know an adult

972
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,200
uses you know caution and reason uh when

973
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,000
they make decisions as opposed to a 15

974
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:06,640
year old that's going and poking a red

975
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,240
hot stick in the in the eye of the bear

976
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,720
uh when you talk about uh you know these

977
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,960
different uh agencies

978
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,119
where you're instigating things would

979
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,640
you do the same thing today would you go

980
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,760
and and be on the cia's hit list you

981
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,560
know the fbi but you know you know what

982
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,000
i mean i i i would absolutely do if

983
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,440
you're asking if i do it all over again

984
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,359
absolutely would i recommend anyone else

985
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,760
to do it you know it it's it's

986
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,520
i told myself when i was really young

987
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,839
don't get paranoid don't get spooked and

988
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,000
and you know just know that you're doing

989
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,800
something that is my legal right because

990
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,160
there's a lot of people that get ultra

991
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,319
paranoid you know and i never wanted to

992
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,680
fall down that that route and and i i

993
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,240
feel strongly and after 22 years i i

994
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,119
haven't uh but but caution and concern

995
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,800
for that when i was 15 is a lot

996
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,200
different now than uh well i'm a lot

997
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,240
older and uh with with kids now two kids

998
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,560
i have a five-year-old and now a uh a

999
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,560
five-month-old daughter

1000
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,480
and so my son and my daughter you know

1001
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,560
what i tell them and recommend at age 15

1002
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,240
to start hammering the government for

1003
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,119
secrets uh probably not you know even

1004
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,480
though it's legal and even though it's

1005
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,720
fine

1006
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,560
there's a line there when you're 15 and

1007
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,160
doing it versus when you're a dad and

1008
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,319
telling a 15 year old to do it sorry

1009
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,319
right i think when i when i started i

1010
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,480
didn't have concern i didn't have

1011
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,440
caution i just went full bore you know

1012
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,000
horns out let's see what we can find out

1013
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:37,920
let's go for it and i didn't really

1014
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,119
worry about a thing what do you do about

1015
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,440
it's one thing to get documents uh

1016
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,200
directly from the government through the

1017
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,040
freedom of information act you know at

1018
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:50,640
that point it's guaranteed to uh you

1019
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,079
know virtually guaranteed to be legit

1020
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,680
right it's gone through at least a

1021
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,599
vetting process and an archive and

1022
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,520
assigned a number

1023
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,319
as opposed to somebody uh

1024
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,160
sending you stuff

1025
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,359
right

1026
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,280
what do you do with that and how do you

1027
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,599
vet the stuff that must come into you on

1028
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:11,920
a daily basis from

1029
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,280
an unverified or unvetted source

1030
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,920
yeah it's hard uh there you know people

1031
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,960
come and

1032
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,280
and approach this topic from different

1033
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,599
angles my angle has always been the

1034
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,359
official government documents and i've

1035
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,200
always said something that confuses some

1036
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,520
people but i mean it wholeheartedly and

1037
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,880
that uh the documents don't lie now the

1038
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,280
content therein could absolutely be a

1039
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,839
lie but what i mean by that is when i

1040
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,079
say something when i come forward with a

1041
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,280
either an opinion or an interpretation

1042
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,440
it's backed by what the us government

1043
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,400
gave me and so there's evidence to hold

1044
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,560
and to get yourself and to verify what

1045
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:53,040
i'm saying now they're in whether it be

1046
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,560
a document or a report or a letter

1047
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
obviously they could be lying to me and

1048
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:00,240
i've proven them in lies i mean that's

1049
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,520
what the new book

1050
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,960
inside the black vault is all about

1051
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,800
where i just dive into the ufo

1052
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,200
phenomenon and try and show what the

1053
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,040
government has given me what they've

1054
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,400
said does it contradict does it coincide

1055
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,440
and and

1056
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,480
just kind of outline the official word

1057
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,319
but other people like the whistleblower

1058
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,760
angle and that that for me muddies the

1059
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,319
water in the sense that you might have a

1060
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:26,000
couple very

1061
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,119
honest

1062
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,920
sincere uh and truthful whistleblowers

1063
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,720
that have a story to tell the problem is

1064
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,839
they're like two percent maybe at best

1065
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,760
of the grander picture because i can

1066
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,079
tell you in 22 years i've either been

1067
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,560
contacted by people gotten letters

1068
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,960
emails physical snail mail

1069
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,440
or have seen other researchers get

1070
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,760
contacted by the same of people with

1071
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:52,480
these wild outlandish stories and how

1072
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,760
can you verify it and for me the way i

1073
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:57,040
approach it which i'm not saying is

1074
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,240
right or wrong it's just the way i

1075
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,400
approach it is that i need to have

1076
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,720
something else to verify that

1077
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,480
and there's a journalistic standard

1078
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,400
which i don't claim to be a journalist i

1079
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,599
never have

1080
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,200
but there's a journalistic standard that

1081
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,359
i've tried to adopt that if somebody

1082
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,200
tells me x y and z

1083
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,960
that there should be something else in

1084
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,880
the form of something a document a

1085
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,119
letter a press statement something that

1086
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,040
confirms xyz

1087
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,960
right and we have to challenge that and

1088
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,400
so when you have these

1089
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,000
people that are emailing you and they're

1090
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,720
saying you can call me agent x and you

1091
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,800
know i have a story to tell but

1092
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,520
there's no way to verify it for me the

1093
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,200
way i approach the topic i gotta put it

1094
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,760
aside do i take it seriously of course

1095
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,839
am i interested of course

1096
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,240
but i can't you know i can't verify

1097
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,640
every agent x out there because if you

1098
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,319
believe them all they all contradict

1099
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,240
each other you know so that makes it

1100
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,960
even more challenging so so my forte is

1101
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,640
i've really just stuck with with

1102
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,280
documents and i'm not saying the foia is

1103
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,160
end-all be-all you know what when i am

1104
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,400
criticized for for some of the opinions

1105
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,839
that i've posed or some of the stuff

1106
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,680
that's put out there people think that i

1107
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,599
just put all the weight into the into

1108
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,720
the foia and responses by the government

1109
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,160
that can't be farther from the truth i

1110
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,920
mean i've lectured for 20 years and if

1111
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,520
you've ever sat through it

1112
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,200
you'll know that i use the foia

1113
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,000
documents to prove the lies and to prove

1114
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,800
the misconceptions and to to prove the

1115
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,800
misleading of the public so i'm not

1116
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,400
really sure where that criticism comes

1117
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,800
from but but but often if if i don't

1118
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,880
come out with something that somebody

1119
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,440
believes uh then they have to attack and

1120
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,720
that's usually what they go to and

1121
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,960
that's obviously you know not how i feel

1122
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,720
and that's what what really the book is

1123
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:39,599
about is to go into those details so i

1124
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,960
as a investigator i separate the two

1125
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,119
some people don't some people hate the

1126
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,800
government stuff and they you know they

1127
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,400
don't care about the foia they don't

1128
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,680
think it works

1129
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,280
they want the whistleblowers and they

1130
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,200
put more weight in that and that's great

1131
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,200
if that works for someone else i just

1132
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,760
approach this from something of a more

1133
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,720
hardcore angle that i need verifiable

1134
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,720
evidence everything is a piece to the

1135
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,960
puzzle and and and i'm sure you would

1136
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,800
agree with that we need to

1137
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,280
constantly if somebody's got a chip

1138
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,680
throw it in the pile right let's let's

1139
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,880
look at it

1140
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,000
at all angles and what i wanted to ask

1141
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,319
you have you ever

1142
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,480
is are there any documents online that

1143
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,760
are not freedom of information act

1144
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,000
in my archive no

1145
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,079
now i do have a separate archive with

1146
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,079
case files where people were sending me

1147
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,760
ufo reports and other type of of um

1148
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,760
you know other type of experiences that

1149
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,359
they've had and so i created a whole

1150
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,880
another database and now there's

1151
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,119
thousands of cases in that so those

1152
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,359
aren't foia material but when it comes

1153
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,280
to the archive when it comes to the

1154
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:48,720
documents all of that i obtained myself

1155
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,880
very few exceptions are people i 150

1156
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,760
trust

1157
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,640
uh and they are either thanked for the

1158
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,000
material because i love to give credit

1159
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,000
where credit is due and there are some

1160
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,240
that have wanted to remain anonymous but

1161
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,359
the documents are obtained uh to through

1162
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,920
the freedom of information act to them

1163
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,319
um that's less than one percent of the

1164
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,480
two million pages but i i do have some

1165
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,400
of that archived as well

1166
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,839
uh but it is all straight from the

1167
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,520
government no leaked material no

1168
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,160
whistleblower material no nothing it is

1169
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,599
when you're in the government document

1170
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,240
archive it is 100 through for you let's

1171
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,559
uh do some rapid fire questions here

1172
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:28,480
okay you ready

1173
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:32,240
i'm ready have ufos has et visited

1174
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,710
in the distant past

1175
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:41,119
distant past as in 100 years or doesn't

1176
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:41,920
matter

1177
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,630
i would say evidence

1178
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:49,440
supports it but i'm not ready to say yes

1179
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,430
i would say that most of the evidence

1180
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,520
points to that is the most logical

1181
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,440
explanation

1182
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,559
does the

1183
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:03,760
government

1184
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,950
i would lean towards no

1185
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,230
well that's not a rapid fire answer but

1186
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,200
i believe that you have to get into an

1187
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,599
in an intelligence gap

1188
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,599
between where we are in the 21st century

1189
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,119
and that if a being can get here would

1190
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,800
they care to talk to us

1191
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,359
and i think that that is a fascinating

1192
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,920
topic in itself it is a book in itself

1193
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,680
it's a show in itself

1194
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,000
you you you have to really start

1195
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,160
thinking about the intelligence

1196
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,400
between two civilizations one that can

1197
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,079
traverse the stars

1198
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,160
and another one that can barely touch

1199
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,880
its you know closest planetary neighbor

1200
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,480
right obviously we're branching out and

1201
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,880
we may have made amazing strides in the

1202
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,440
last 130 years uh when it comes to

1203
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,839
science and and going from the ground to

1204
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,559
airplanes and and well above but again

1205
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,000
that intelligence gap is so vast

1206
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,240
would they care to speak to us and i

1207
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,680
think that that's a question that i've

1208
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,079
struggled with for a long time i've done

1209
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,839
uh history channel shows based on that

1210
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,440
i've done discovery channel shows based

1211
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,839
on that as a producer and writer and

1212
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,680
when you talk to people that are much

1213
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,400
smarter than i am and you realize what

1214
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,400
you really have to get into when you're

1215
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:22,880
talking about advanced civilizations

1216
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,559
it is an it is a in-depth topic so

1217
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,359
selfishly egotistically we want to think

1218
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,760
that our government would uh be in

1219
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,599
contact with them because we're that

1220
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,480
good right we're that important that an

1221
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,240
alien civilization will want to talk to

1222
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,720
us and make deals with us and nuclear

1223
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,640
weapons are bad so we want to save the

1224
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,359
universe they don't i mean look

1225
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,880
let's jump ahead and say they're out

1226
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,200
there they're intelligent there are two

1227
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,440
things that you can immediately

1228
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,079
assume about that number one they're a

1229
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,680
hell of a lot more advanced than us and

1230
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,359
nuclear weapons are like you know a

1231
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,800
rubber band gun

1232
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,119
uh but number two if they are out there

1233
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,880
then there's a heck of a lot more out

1234
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,040
there right i mean the odds of there

1235
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,480
being just one is too astronomical uh

1236
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,559
the odds of there being just two

1237
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,040
civilizations uh is even

1238
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,079
you know more rare than that so the the

1239
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,800
likelihood of of uh there being

1240
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,400
thousands tens of thousands or millions

1241
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,800
of civilizations is at that point

1242
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,040
automatically assumed as possible so

1243
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,960
then that then supports the whole

1244
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,280
thought process that why would they care

1245
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
you know they're going to go find

1246
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,240
another civilization that didn't start

1247
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:34,400
when humans did

1248
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,599
they're going to find a civilization

1249
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,400
that started maybe 20 000 years prior to

1250
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079
when humans did because they're a lot

1251
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,920
more advanced and they can communicate

1252
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,640
and

1253
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,680
trade or whatever galactic you know uh

1254
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,559
group they want them to join so

1255
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,960
is that what i feel wholeheartedly no

1256
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,960
but it's a fascinating topic to dive

1257
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,200
into and one that deserves

1258
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,640
a lot of thought and we have to take ego

1259
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,839
out of the equation uh but as humans

1260
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,680
it's very hard to we want to think that

1261
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,599
if aliens are out there and they can get

1262
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,200
here that they're going to want to come

1263
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,599
down and plant their alien flag and

1264
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,599
communicate or talk with the upper

1265
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,680
echelons of the government and i just i

1266
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,440
just don't see that happening

1267
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,480
is the government in possession with

1268
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:20,960
uh crashed

1269
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,599
and retrieved uh alien craft

1270
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,160
there's no documentation to support that

1271
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,440
but

1272
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,800
you know there's i think there's too

1273
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,440
many stories that surround

1274
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,319
the roswell events out there and you

1275
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,599
know i mean i started the whole book

1276
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,359
about roswell and how easy it is to

1277
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,839
debunk you know that that uh what i call

1278
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,920
the company line where they want to tell

1279
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,960
you that there there was no crash saucer

1280
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,319
there was no nothing despite the

1281
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,240
original reports now roswell's well

1282
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,319
overdone but why i deal with it in the

1283
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,319
book which goes to your question

1284
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,040
is the fact that they are so blatantly

1285
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,800
lying about it

1286
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,640
you can i'm kind of only deduced that

1287
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,040
they probably have wreckage of some kind

1288
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,440
and it's not the project mogul balloon

1289
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,599
uh that it's probably something you know

1290
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,079
much more interesting uh alien i'm not

1291
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,400
real sure so that's why i can't really

1292
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,640
definitively say yes to your question

1293
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,680
but i think that there's enough

1294
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,760
documented evidence which i did go into

1295
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:19,040
in the book

1296
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,559
that kind of shows yeah okay they

1297
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,960
shipped wreckage they investigated it uh

1298
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,800
they contradicted their own reports and

1299
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,920
then over the years they couldn't get

1300
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,000
their story straight you know not once

1301
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,920
not twice not three times of four times

1302
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,160
they changed their story and even the

1303
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,640
what i did was uh in the book is is i

1304
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,880
deal with the fourth explanation

1305
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,640
and then i completely destroy it using

1306
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,160
their own documents

1307
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,240
so i so that's all i use i i don't say

1308
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,760
well this whistleblower said that or

1309
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,240
this and that and you go into um you

1310
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,960
know files that do say uh and talk about

1311
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,520
wreckage so there's something there

1312
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,160
alien i'm not sure but it's documented

1313
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,559
that they had wreckage and had it and

1314
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,720
kept changing their story about it now

1315
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,480
now that you have done everything not

1316
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,559
only with the black fault but uh your

1317
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,800
work with mufon over the years

1318
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,680
of course producing and writing uh so

1319
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,559
many different tv shows it's what you do

1320
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,480
with all of this knowledge that you're

1321
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:14,480
sitting on right now

1322
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,510
that's tough one i wouldn't call it a

1323
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:24,480
case but one of my favorite stories

1324
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,079
is the air force manual 10-206

1325
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,359
right and the reason why that is really

1326
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:33,599
at the top of my list

1327
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:36,640
is this showed undeniably that the

1328
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:38,800
united states air force that that same

1329
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,079
one that has denied ufos for a long time

1330
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,200
claimed in 1969 they stopped ufo

1331
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,160
collecting uh reports and investigating

1332
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:50,240
after project blue book closed

1333
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,839
my entire research was was based on on

1334
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,520
really that entire

1335
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:57,520
statement that they gave

1336
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,280
and air force manual 10-206 completely

1337
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:03,359
destroys

1338
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,839
their own

1339
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,839
statement by stating in black and white

1340
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,559
unidentified flying objects and in this

1341
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,920
day and age

1342
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:13,440
especially in the last year year and a

1343
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,240
half

1344
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,440
there's been a lot of talk that the

1345
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:17,280
government the military has changed the

1346
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,800
acronym or they want to change the

1347
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,559
acronym and they probably would change

1348
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,079
the acronym

1349
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,880
and although that might be true

1350
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,520
to a point this document that went well

1351
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,480
into the 2000s right i discovered it

1352
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,960
way back in in 2001

1353
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,800
i was surprised i had to kind of triple

1354
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,079
check that when i was writing the book

1355
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,280
because i didn't realize it was that

1356
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,400
long ago but i watched this manual get

1357
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,480
updated through the years i had lectured

1358
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,480
about it but it black and white said

1359
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,720
that air force pilots

1360
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,280
had to report unidentified flying

1361
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,760
objects or ufos as they saw them

1362
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
and went into detail of how to report

1363
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,079
them where to send the reports to and

1364
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,000
there was no other acronym there was no

1365
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,880
hiding the the the you know interest in

1366
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,839
ufos it was black and white there was no

1367
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,079
semantics it was ufos

1368
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,559
and i and i you know there's there's two

1369
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,440
two

1370
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,280
uh ways that i can approach the story

1371
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,359
one was the hunt for the documents uh

1372
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,640
but the the quicker part of um of this

1373
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,839
story is when in about 2000

1374
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,440
i forget exactly what year but the

1375
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,680
huffington post had contacted me and lee

1376
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,599
spiegel who was working for huffington

1377
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,040
post at the time

1378
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,359
one of the top five documents that i got

1379
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,280
so i gave him the top five one of which

1380
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,280
was this air force manual and it was on

1381
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,799
the books and i showed him how to

1382
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,040
download it from the united states air

1383
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,040
force's website so even though i had

1384
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,040
discovered it in early 2000s

1385
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,880
as the years progressed and the document

1386
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,480
was updated people could go download it

1387
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,000
themselves talk about hiding in plain

1388
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,400
sight right and so i showed him that and

1389
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,640
he was like he was floored by it i don't

1390
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,319
want to speak for him but i remember

1391
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,000
that he was just very surprised that

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this document was available to anybody

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of course i had it on the blackvault.com

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but i'm talking about a

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mil a military server and this thing was

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active and he downloaded it and to

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summarize the story when he was doing

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his article he reached out to the

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pentagon like any good investigative

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journalist would do sought comment no

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calls back

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and within about 48 or 72 hours after

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manual 10-206

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he had called me

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and went back to the air force's website

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to download this thing and fact check

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and just kind of finish his story and

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the chapter 5 that outlined ufos and the

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types of reports was gone

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it was just completely omitted from what

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he had uh already downloaded just days

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prior

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and i didn't believe it and i went on

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and sure enough they rewrote the thing

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since his phone call and you know just

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days after it he rewrites the the air

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force rewrites the manual omits chapter

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5 it now pertains to hurricanes

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and then republished air force manual

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10-206 you can't get

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a more blatant cover-up than that on

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your interest in ufos i mean a national

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media outlet was about to profile it

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and then they they just poof you know

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now

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who delete it all who do we blame here

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do we blame lee or you that's the

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question

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our guest

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i

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not here let's blame lee

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no

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we gotta take a break right here john we

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gotta take a break yeah no problem yeah

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let's do that our guest tonight is john

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greenwald don't worry everybody we'll

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pick up this conversation where we're

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leaving off right now this is fade to

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black our guest tonight john greenwald

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everybody wants to know who i'm talking

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black i'm yours jimmy church our guest

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tonight is john greenwald and we are

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discussing not only the black vault but

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his new book it is called inside

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the black vault and all you have to do

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and i'm sure that there are links at the

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inside theblackvault.com and we'll get

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everything up on twitter for everyone

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now uh john continuing

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this discussion

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and which is uh you know for me uh when

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we're talking about

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uh

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the most fascinating case and certainly

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uh that page change in the air force

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manual is is a really big deal

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uh but going back uh to

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the intro or the first thing that you uh

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talk about in the book which is roswell

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your first uh image that you have up

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there is a teletype

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uh from the fbi and not without going

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into

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uh the word for word part of this uh but

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it's right there

1604
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,960
you state that on july 1947 the federal

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bureau of investigation the fbi was

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01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,079
apprised

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of the roswell situation in this

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memorandum it is said that the debris

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resembled that of a balloon however

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right field present-day wright patterson

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of course

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uh during the course of a phone call did

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not buy that explanation

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uh this is is this the beginning of

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a method of operation not only for the

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air force but all of the agencies

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01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,880
involved on how to start dealing with

1618
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,520
not only the ufo question and the

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possibility of crash retrievals but of

1620
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:34,400
course misleading and lying to the

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public is this setting the stage

1622
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of how they would handle this for

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decades to come

1624
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,280
i i think so i think whatever happened

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in roswell had caught him off guard and

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01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,839
and i think that as the years progressed

1627
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if let's say that this was a top secret

1628
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,200
program that

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they had to cover up and give a cover

1630
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story maybe they'd let the alien thing

1631
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,880
go for a couple years until they can

1632
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,280
finally come come clean with it i could

1633
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,240
buy that but this happened in 1947 here

1634
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,400
we are in 2019

1635
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,240
the last explanation they give

1636
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,079
absolutely doesn't make sense and

1637
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,559
documents like this uh the teletype from

1638
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the fbi

1639
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:14,480
start to shed light that they internally

1640
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had no idea what was going on right i

1641
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mean they wanted to pass off the weather

1642
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balloon story and then later you know as

1643
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the years progressed the project mogul

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story

1645
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,039
but it just doesn't coincide with when

1646
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you look at these documents the

1647
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confusion about what really happened and

1648
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in this teletype it said you know kind

1649
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of the public story was a weather

1650
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balloon but right field which is now

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present day wright-patterson air force

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base which later became the home of

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project blue book on where they were

1654
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researching ufos

1655
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it's also the home of the what's called

1656
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the foreign technology division so they

1657
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were looking at technology that humans

1658
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were doing around the world to try and

1659
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:58,559
figure things out to try and understand

1660
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,200
it

1661
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,520
and right field you know morphed through

1662
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,359
the years into that so that was the

1663
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,280
place that they had shipped the wreckage

1664
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,760
that's what this teletype confirms uh

1665
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,000
and it shows that right field the the

1666
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:12,880
personnel at right field did not buy the

1667
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,960
weather balloon

1668
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,799
you know mindset and it even said it

1669
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,520
just

1670
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,000
after conversations with right field uh

1671
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,400
that it did not bore out that belief of

1672
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,239
being a weather balloon and so they

1673
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,839
shipped uh the ship the wreckage over

1674
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,239
there so those types of documents they

1675
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,719
really fuel the confusion

1676
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,640
and you know i mean i don't deal with

1677
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,600
roswell long in the book but for me it

1678
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,159
is all about the documents but on top of

1679
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,199
that it's the journey to get them and

1680
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,920
for me you really have to set the stage

1681
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,000
i know i've mentioned it already but to

1682
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:48,159
mention it again what i call the company

1683
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,600
line in the book

1684
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,799
roswell serves as kind of the beginning

1685
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,560
of that cover-up

1686
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,120
and it's the beginning of them trying to

1687
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,640
say uh oh

1688
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:01,040
this is a problem and not only is it a

1689
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,560
problem but it's a national security

1690
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,520
risk

1691
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,080
and that paves the way into project sign

1692
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,239
and project grudge and and later project

1693
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,839
blue book the three

1694
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,319
kind of the trifecta of ufo research

1695
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,319
programs from 1947 through 1969 where

1696
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,040
they analyzed all the ufo cases

1697
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,719
and when you look at exactly what they

1698
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:23,600
did now that these documents are out

1699
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,960
it really gives a picture that they

1700
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,520
that they had an intent behind it was

1701
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,080
not a scientific exploration but rather

1702
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,279
they were trying to explain the material

1703
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,040
they were trying to explain the the

1704
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,199
documents so the wreckage was just a

1705
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,719
weather balloon and then again as the

1706
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,319
years went on they switched that to

1707
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,719
project mogul balloon uh the ufo

1708
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,040
sightings were swamp gas planet venus

1709
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,040
you know whatever cockamamie reasoning

1710
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,040
that they could come up with they were

1711
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,560
they were trying to tell the public

1712
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,480
through the 40s 50s and 60s that's what

1713
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:56,480
it was so that's what i call the company

1714
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,760
line because they really tried to

1715
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,120
establish

1716
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,600
what it was the phenomena

1717
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,840
what they can explain it as

1718
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,400
and close the book pardon the pun but

1719
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,560
they just wanted it to go away

1720
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,239
and so i used that in the beginning of

1721
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,159
the book as this is what they want you

1722
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,360
to believe

1723
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:15,120
and this is this what i call the surface

1724
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,679
story is that they want you to believe x

1725
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,640
y and z about roswell blue book and ufos

1726
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,120
and it and then case closed and that's

1727
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,679
it after 1969 they don't care

1728
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,360
uh and then as the years progressed they

1729
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,280
tried to explain roswell a few more

1730
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,280
times which they would have been better

1731
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,360
served to just keep their mouth shut

1732
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:35,679
what i did in the book was that is the

1733
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,800
foundation that paves the way to nearly

1734
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,800
every other government agency that i

1735
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,840
went to

1736
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,400
especially the intelligence community

1737
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,120
looking for documents after that 1969

1738
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,360
date because none of them should exist

1739
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,239
and i found thousands of pages that

1740
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,760
should not have been there

1741
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,159
and what i do in in the the chapters

1742
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:58,080
after roswell and then we get into blue

1743
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,960
book

1744
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,800
but really just kind of let it tell the

1745
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,880
story using their own documents that i

1746
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:04,880
received from them

1747
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,840
and it shows how absolutely outrageous

1748
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:10,000
that foundation that they tried to give

1749
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,880
you

1750
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,040
really is and it just crumbles it falls

1751
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:15,360
apart the the issue

1752
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,040
is not when it comes to roswell

1753
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,159
and i think that everybody should

1754
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:24,960
adapt this mindset the issue with

1755
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:28,400
roswell is not red-headed sergeants or

1756
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,000
or the mortuary or caskets or or you

1757
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,320
know little alien beings or missing

1758
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,840
nurse

1759
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,320
whatever the stories are about roswell

1760
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,120
it's that's not the deal here

1761
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:43,920
what is the deal is that we are talking

1762
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:47,199
about roswell army airfield a nuclear

1763
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,480
installation

1764
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,679
with covered with not only secrecy but

1765
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,239
the most intelligent people that we had

1766
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,480
at that time in the military in the

1767
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,199
entire world were right there in roswell

1768
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,480
that's the fact and if it was a weather

1769
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,600
balloon it's a non-story

1770
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:07,520
it's a complete lie i would never get

1771
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,960
outside nobody would care about it

1772
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,719
wouldn't even get out of roswell and

1773
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,159
that includes brazil and and the ranch

1774
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:16,480
you know and that that fundamentally

1775
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,080
right there is why roswell is a big deal

1776
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,480
and i totally agree with you that's why

1777
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:24,800
everything starts there and towing the

1778
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,400
company line continues after 1947.

1779
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,199
that's right and it paves the way into

1780
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:33,760
again project sign grudge and blue book

1781
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,960
for them to deal with the problem

1782
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,520
because not only was it again that

1783
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:41,280
national security issue where these

1784
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,560
things were showing up where they

1785
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,520
shouldn't and 1952 really proved that

1786
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,239
with ufos flying over the capital and

1787
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,440
the white house and all these very

1788
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:51,120
restricted airspaces that's a national

1789
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,640
security threat

1790
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,920
what was also in in my opinion a

1791
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,520
national security threat and we find

1792
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,400
this out uh in the documents as well

1793
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,199
is that the public was also part of that

1794
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,600
national security threat the interest

1795
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,280
that the public had

1796
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,679
through the late 40s 50s and 60s into

1797
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,920
the ufo phenomena and and i do use

1798
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:13,440
plural because people always yell at me

1799
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,400
for that

1800
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:16,239
i do believe there's there's multiple

1801
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,840
aspects of this phenomena so that's why

1802
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,440
i say phenomena

1803
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,640
the

1804
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:23,360
explain it

1805
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,800
they they knew that they had to just

1806
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,480
tell the public what they what they

1807
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,640
needed to hear and what they needed to

1808
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,719
hear was number one it wasn't a national

1809
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,239
security threat

1810
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,400
and that it was easily explainable with

1811
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,560
no signs of it being extraterrestrial

1812
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,199
right and that should in with their

1813
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,280
intent calm down the public now

1814
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,440
obviously it didn't because that

1815
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,360
interest never went away

1816
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,679
but the documents tell a very different

1817
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,719
story

1818
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,640
versus what they were trying to sell to

1819
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,760
the public

1820
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,239
and when you get into

1821
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,360
some of the

1822
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,000
individual cases where you're looking at

1823
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,520
airspace is being violated that

1824
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,040
shouldn't be but also demonstrating

1825
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:04,880
technology that we didn't have in the

1826
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,679
day

1827
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,360
and i and i researched a lot of the

1828
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:10,080
technology that we had that was you know

1829
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,600
in into the

1830
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,679
project blue book cases

1831
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,199
and looked at the technology of what we

1832
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:16,960
had that it was

1833
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:20,400
literally decades beyond where we were

1834
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,679
and i'm not talking about a radar

1835
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:23,520
malfunction i tried to focus on the ones

1836
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,040
that did have

1837
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,159
a visual observation in addition to

1838
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,320
radar where possible i mean that wasn't

1839
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,159
in every case and so that's what i

1840
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:34,239
really tried to highlight was where you

1841
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,080
have multiple and that's why i go back

1842
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,760
to that journalistic standard of having

1843
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,080
multiple sources when you can confirm

1844
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,239
something with an electronic device but

1845
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,400
then on top of that a human device so

1846
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,760
now you've kind of solidified that

1847
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:47,360
there's something going on there and

1848
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,800
then you cross reference that with

1849
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,800
history and you realize that whatever

1850
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:53,280
that object was where you have multiple

1851
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,600
sources to confirm it is leaps and and

1852
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,320
bounds beyond where we are as humans at

1853
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:02,800
that time frame that's pretty amazing in

1854
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,000
in my book so you can't dismiss that and

1855
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,520
that's what blue book and the government

1856
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:09,920
as a whole even years after they have

1857
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:12,480
largely tried to dismiss and when they

1858
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:16,480
try to i'll never forget this um and i

1859
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:19,600
i'm so proud of the ufo community

1860
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:22,320
they are so smart and when i go and hang

1861
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:25,760
out and and realize the

1862
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,040
amount of history that individuals know

1863
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:31,360
you and i think we know a lot there are

1864
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:32,800
there are people out there that are

1865
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,760
frighteningly smart when it comes to ufo

1866
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,480
history and in 1997

1867
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:40,719
when roswell case closed came out i

1868
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,560
remember i was sitting in a parking lot

1869
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,239
in culver city

1870
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,040
and and i got it right and

1871
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,120
and i and i was reading it and i got to

1872
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,760
the crash dummy explanation

1873
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,239
and i sat in my car and i went wait a

1874
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,600
minute

1875
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,000
that no that happened and i thought it

1876
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:00,960
was like 1950 right and i remember

1877
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:03,520
racing home in my car so i could get

1878
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,719
onto the internet to verify what i

1879
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:09,520
already knew and then i came up with the

1880
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,560
year you know 1949 i went wait a minute

1881
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,560
they are clearly

1882
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,480
not that dumb they are trying to uh uh

1883
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,719
assume that everybody's gonna go ah

1884
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,880
crash just dummies okay it's all done

1885
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:24,719
this is this is finished

1886
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:27,600
they they missed it by two years

1887
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,800
that was that was operation high dive

1888
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,320
and the

1889
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,120
the the manufacturer the knowledge the

1890
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:37,440
technology of those of those crash test

1891
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:38,640
dummies

1892
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,239
didn't happen for two more years and it

1893
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,080
was one of those things where i went and

1894
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:46,000
i'm sure you did the same thing

1895
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,920
where i just threw up my arms going you

1896
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:49,679
know what they're lying they're

1897
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,239
absolutely lying right here but you've

1898
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,159
got something with journalistic

1899
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,719
integrity that everybody else can apply

1900
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,880
to this and go back and fact checked why

1901
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,840
didn't they consider

1902
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,840
that i don't know and i think that it's

1903
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,719
it's that kind of very misguided thought

1904
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:09,040
process that if we say it the public

1905
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,400
will buy it

1906
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,840
and obviously that that's not true

1907
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,080
especially in this day and age but i

1908
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,320
think that they have for decades meaning

1909
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,800
the government and and politicians uh

1910
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,960
are notorious that if they say something

1911
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,320
the public's not going to fact check it

1912
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:24,719
they're just going to buy it and uh you

1913
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:27,280
know swallow it and and that becomes

1914
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,320
gospel

1915
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,040
and it's a very inquisitive

1916
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:32,880
a group of people when it comes to the

1917
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:36,159
ufo community and and people push for

1918
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,199
answers

1919
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,040
and and that's

1920
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,120
that's what we all need to do i think

1921
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:43,600
we've lost a little bit about uh with

1922
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,239
with that in the last year or two

1923
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,800
but i think overall people want to know

1924
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,880
the truth and when you start putting

1925
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,679
historically inaccurate facts out there

1926
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,320
when it comes to the roswell report case

1927
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,480
closed and that's what i went in that's

1928
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,320
the specific explanation that i go into

1929
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,480
detail where i took their bullet point

1930
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,480
list in their executive summary and just

1931
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,800
blew it up you know blew it away

1932
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,880
using again their own documents and

1933
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,800
documented history but that's what we

1934
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:12,960
need to do we need to challenge it and

1935
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,520
say look you guys are not giving

1936
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:18,080
accurate history here and it's your own

1937
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,520
documents that disprove what you're

1938
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,800
trying to say

1939
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,440
and i think that to me especially going

1940
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:25,040
back 20 years

1941
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,719
back as a teenager when i was getting

1942
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,840
into this

1943
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,560
realizing that there were such blatant

1944
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,920
missteps when they were trying to

1945
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,080
explain things but then you look at the

1946
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,920
actual evidence that they were giving me

1947
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,199
themselves

1948
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,360
that was fascinating to me even as a

1949
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,199
teenager and i realized then that i was

1950
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,080
hooked i mean you know here i am decades

1951
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:46,480
later and i'm still going at it but it's

1952
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,520
because the it's so blatant you know you

1953
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,040
don't have to really read between the

1954
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,199
lines because it's black and white you

1955
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,280
don't need to use leaked information or

1956
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,679
something you found on the dark net

1957
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:00,080
it is something that they will give you

1958
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,480
and i to me it's it's shocking the level

1959
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,120
of blatant cover-up to some of these

1960
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,280
documents and again those blatant kind

1961
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,920
of mis missteps when they try to explain

1962
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,800
things

1963
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:14,159
it's too

1964
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,840
and that's why i've continued to kind of

1965
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,600
push forward and see what else there is

1966
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,320
to find don't they well i'm sure that

1967
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:26,640
they realize and i'm talking about the

1968
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,760
fbi and the cia and and the dia in the

1969
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:30,800
pentagon

1970
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:34,239
that they realize the

1971
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,920
country's interest in the subject

1972
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,280
you know

1973
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:41,760
we're not going to the fbi website to

1974
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:45,600
look at jfk or jimmy hoffa or elvis

1975
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,000
their number one searched pages are ufos

1976
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:52,480
they realize uh the interest that we

1977
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,750
i think they realize it

1978
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,080
but again then there's these huge

1979
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,320
missteps that it's like are you guys do

1980
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,719
you guys have no faith in

1981
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,760
humanity let alone uh the american

1982
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,520
public and i'll give you a prime example

1983
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:12,320
which i i went after foia documents

1984
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:16,400
on a tweet that was done by the cia

1985
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,760
and they tried to essentially revive a

1986
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,880
story

1987
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,159
that they

1988
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:25,120
took credit for all of the

1989
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,920
ufos that happened in the 1950s and

1990
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,840
their tweet read

1991
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,080
literally this remember reports of

1992
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:34,800
unusual activities in the sky

1993
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,320
in the 1950s that was us hashtag u2 week

1994
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,239
ufo day

1995
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,560
now that's a pretty broad statement to

1996
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,960
make especially when you have

1997
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:48,400
the amount of information that's out

1998
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,199
there

1999
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,920
and so i did a foia request looking for

2000
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:53,760
the internal communications about that

2001
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,320
tweet what kind of research they did you

2002
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,679
know how can you back that up now

2003
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,199
obviously that does tie to a much

2004
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,840
grander cia report

2005
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,320
done by gerald haynes but

2006
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,320
it this tweet i mean obviously this was

2007
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,840
years after that report was published so

2008
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:09,679
i wanted to know what were they talking

2009
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,360
about and so i actually got the

2010
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,199
documents relating to that tweet and it

2011
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:18,080
literally only consisted of like one

2012
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,280
email exchange the names are blacked out

2013
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,199
but literally from what i can deduce

2014
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:25,120
from the documents that the cia gave me

2015
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:26,320
under foia

2016
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,440
is that one cia employee says hey it's

2017
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:31,280
uh you know you i'm paraphrasing here

2018
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,320
because i don't want to bore you to

2019
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,880
death and read it but uh it's youtube uh

2020
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,760
week

2021
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,239
uh it's also ufo day they call it world

2022
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,520
ufo day and so he he or she pitches a

2023
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,080
tweet which is what i just read to you

2024
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:46,800
assuming he sent it to a superior uh the

2025
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,719
response was simply i love it good to go

2026
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,040
and that was it that was the extent of

2027
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:55,360
that research of the tweet they just

2028
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,880
tried to take credit for it so what i

2029
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:58,719
did was in addition to show those

2030
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,920
documents actually research the u2

2031
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,239
and research when it flew and you cut

2032
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:06,159
out half of the decade because it didn't

2033
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,520
fly

2034
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,400
until halfway through the 1950s it was

2035
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,880
1955. so now you're trying to take

2036
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,880
credit for an entire decade with a plane

2037
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,960
that you know only started flying in

2038
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:18,639
1955.

2039
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,000
couple that with the fact that the

2040
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,800
majority of the ufo reports were going

2041
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,880
well beyond the airspeed of what the

2042
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,040
youtube was capable of

2043
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,520
how can you take credit for all of it

2044
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,840
and so it was so blatantly ridiculous

2045
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,520
but of course they sent it out on a

2046
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:36,159
tweet in a tweet and want the public to

2047
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,199
buy it

2048
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,440
and so the documents prove that they

2049
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,520
just don't care to research it but on

2050
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,159
top of that i don't think they care

2051
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,159
if the public is going to question it or

2052
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,320
not i i mean i have no other way to

2053
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:50,159
explain it because this is

2054
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,360
so blatantly false but yet they tweet it

2055
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,440
out there anyway and they expect the

2056
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:57,520
public to just buy it now

2057
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,639
okay let's let's reverse this let's

2058
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,600
actually flip this

2059
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:05,760
uh line of thought over in the other

2060
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,840
direction have you ever had a a document

2061
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,960
uh

2062
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,639
that

2063
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,040
backed up their lie

2064
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,920
right or you know changed your opinion

2065
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:20,560
on a situation or has all of it just

2066
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,920
been one string of cover-up

2067
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,679
i wouldn't say it's all one string of

2068
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,280
cover-up because i mean you know some

2069
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,560
agencies

2070
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,159
they kind of they give you the

2071
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,080
information with no fight

2072
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,280
you know and

2073
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:35,360
so i don't want to just say like every

2074
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,800
government employee and every government

2075
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,120
agency is sitting there in a dark room

2076
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,679
going how can we shield greenwald from

2077
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:43,360
the ufo document so he doesn't release

2078
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,040
him to the public i don't want to give

2079
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,800
that indication

2080
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,520
um but you have to you have to piece it

2081
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:51,120
together like a puzzle you had mentioned

2082
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,639
a puzzle earlier

2083
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,639
and the analogy that i use is that you

2084
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,239
start putting these pieces together to

2085
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,400
put a a picture

2086
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,239
together and then you realize that once

2087
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,159
a picture starts to emerge it's just

2088
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,639
simply a piece to an even bigger puzzle

2089
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,960
and it keeps going and going so part of

2090
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:09,040
the cover-up is deliberate you do have

2091
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,000
these

2092
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,159
again very very

2093
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,189
errors in what they're trying to say i

2094
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,960
mean i hate using the word lies you know

2095
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,040
i mean maybe it's not malicious but it's

2096
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:23,920
so blatant that they're wrong yet

2097
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,480
there's absolutely no research done but

2098
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,760
then on the other end you've got to

2099
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,199
think that a lot of these documents

2100
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,960
going back decades

2101
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:32,880
were created before the freedom of

2102
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,440
information act ever existed so we don't

2103
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:36,880
know at this point how many were

2104
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,360
potentially destroyed i don't only

2105
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,239
research ufos i've gone after probably

2106
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:44,320
every government secret we you can dream

2107
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,520
up right now

2108
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:47,760
and i've learned on many occasions that

2109
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,080
documents pertaining to you know certain

2110
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:52,560
things were absolutely destroyed and it

2111
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:53,760
was because before the freedom of

2112
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,639
information act was ever created a lot

2113
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,040
of these agency heads they they were

2114
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,960
able to kind of get away with it there

2115
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:02,080
was no

2116
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:02,960
um

2117
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,080
there was no oversight whatsoever public

2118
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,840
you and i the public could not ask

2119
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:09,440
questions we couldn't request

2120
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,320
information the mk ultra material off

2121
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,840
the top of my head is probably the

2122
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,120
biggest one where they just kind of

2123
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,120
destroyed everything i've been able to

2124
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,840
uncover thousands of pages that uh that

2125
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,679
survived the shredders

2126
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:23,600
but my whole point is is that we really

2127
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:24,880
don't know

2128
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,679
how far or deep the cover-up goes so now

2129
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,159
in this day and age it's not necessarily

2130
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:32,320
trying to be malicious it's just the

2131
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:35,440
decades ago politicians and agency heads

2132
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,480
and whomever was involved destroyed it

2133
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,560
before the public had a right to access

2134
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,400
it and on top of that they call it

2135
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,719
records retention schedules uh before

2136
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,400
some of the record retention schedules

2137
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,199
were created so it was their legal right

2138
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,639
to just go out let's just go ahead and

2139
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:51,920
shred all this

2140
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,280
and and it's gone so i think more than

2141
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:56,719
anything else

2142
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,159
the biggest help to them the government

2143
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:02,159
uh with the cover-up is the passage of

2144
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,560
time and that's all it is the jfk

2145
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,800
assassination is a prime example of that

2146
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,639
if they let these documents sit and

2147
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,320
fester long enough because there's still

2148
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,199
a lot that are withheld

2149
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:16,000
the public will generally lose interest

2150
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,040
and

2151
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,719
stop asking because you have a

2152
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:21,040
generation that dies off and then you

2153
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,400
know there's people like me out there

2154
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,800
that loves to annoy them for answers but

2155
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:27,440
uh sadly you know time is one of the

2156
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:28,560
biggest

2157
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,760
um

2158
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:31,840
the biggest friendly things that they

2159
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,239
have to their own agenda they probably

2160
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,880
didn't start digitizing uh

2161
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,239
you know until

2162
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,159
uh the early 90s

2163
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,159
are there right now we've only got about

2164
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:44,239
two minutes before the breakdown are

2165
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:47,440
there teams out there

2166
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,790
yeah there's got to be literally piles

2167
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:00,480
and mountains

2168
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:03,280
of of paperwork and reports that that

2169
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,480
are unseen

2170
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,560
that are uncatalogued and and what are

2171
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,480
they doing about that

2172
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,639
yeah i i it depends on the agency there

2173
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,560
are agencies that have digitized uh

2174
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,800
literally millions of records the cia is

2175
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,320
a prime example they have what's called

2176
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,400
the crest database

2177
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,080
and through

2178
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,239
triumphs within the foia

2179
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,719
by other colleagues of mine that use the

2180
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,480
foia like i do

2181
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,400
we're able to convince the cia to put

2182
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,040
put a lot of the crest database online

2183
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:32,880
so depending upon the agency you look at

2184
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,679
there are these initiatives to

2185
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,760
save this information that that goes

2186
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,239
back decades uh if you can believe it i

2187
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,800
have foia requests where i have gone

2188
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,600
after classified records from world war

2189
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,000
one that are still classified

2190
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,800
that i'm still denied access to uh so

2191
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,960
there's a lot of information there

2192
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,639
some of it has been digitized a lot of

2193
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:56,639
it has been digitized but it depends on

2194
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840
the agency and it varies so that that's

2195
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,600
another kind of question mark when you

2196
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,320
file a foia how much can they

2197
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,199
can they really look for the documents

2198
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:09,120
and that that's a tough that's a tough

2199
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,960
one to answer let's take a break right

2200
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,760
here our guest tonight is john greenwald

2201
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,080
the black vault and when we get when we

2202
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,679
come back

2203
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,440
we'll continue our conversation about

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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i guess tonight john greenwald the black

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vault and we are talking about his new

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book inside

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the black vault which i have it is an

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absolutely amazing book you can go to

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copy

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uh i want to talk about project blue

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book not the tv show and not from the

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angle that this audience is probably

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expecting right now but it's the way

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that you present it in in this chapter

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in the book

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and john you say something here that is

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mind-blowing now i have an autographed

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copy here from stanton friedman

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somewhere a blue book right

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you may have yours

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but you state here that the national

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archives and records administration

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otherwise known as nara

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has their records and this is what you

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state and it blows my mind versus what

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we know and what you have to go through

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that they have

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approximately 42 cubic feet of documents

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in their collection

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and that uh equates to about 84 000

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pages

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within the project blue book collection

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at nara now if if i just think about

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that myself

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if you got

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80 some odd thousand pages of documents

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for you

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it would take you the rest of your life

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to read

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yeah that's right

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yeah and that that formula is just using

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the national archives way of calculating

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pages but yeah that's what they state

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project blue book is now the case files

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uh portion of it

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01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:00,880
all kind of the interesting stuff has

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been uh digitized over the years it's

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been out uh for uh quite a few years for

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the public to kind of peruse and in fact

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it was actually fairly open during the

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actual project blue book days

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where the press if they made a phone

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call and got approval literally could go

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in and sit down at a table and and see

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the files

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so there's there's a lot there but it

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you know over the years many many

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researchers well before my time have

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gone in there and and and

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01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:32,320
analyzed those cases and even though the

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government wants to say that the

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majority of them are all explained i

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01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,600
think there's a pretty good case that

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01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,840
that researchers have put up that uh

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01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,000
they're they're not only

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very good cases in there but a much

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01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,080
higher percentage of unexplained cases

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that um that they want you to believe so

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they claim only 700 remain 701 remained

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01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,880
unidentified out of the 12 000 plus

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cases that they investigated but i think

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01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,880
that there is good and strong evidence

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01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:02,400
to support that the number is much much

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higher do they do that intentionally to

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uh bog us down

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01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:09,760
i think so because again you know that

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the the in this was 1969

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uh when they kind of closed closed blue

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book so i think what they wanted to do

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is just kind of drown the public and

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01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,639
statistics and figures but more than all

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01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,040
else have a very very small percentage

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of quote unquote unidentified so it

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01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,119
still seemed like a legitimate

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scientific explanation

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but it was such a low percentage that i

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think they hoped the public would

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again be overwhelmed with the amount of

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of information that they were trying to

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spew out there

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but that be fairly underwhelmed with the

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quote-unquote conclusion

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so for

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again putting yourself in the shoes of

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01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,080
the military they wanted the public to

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kind of go away so what better way to

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say hey we did over 12 000 cases

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01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:57,920
and only you know 701 remained

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01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:59,840
unidentified but then they drilled down

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01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,000
even more and said the only reason that

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01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:04,960
they were unidentified was the fact that

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they lacked appropriate evidence and

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01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,800
you know

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what we would need to put a positive

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01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:12,000
identification on it so they felt that

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01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:14,159
nothing was extraterrestrial connected

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01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,159
even with the unknowns but when you

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01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,080
start going through the documents and

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01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,760
again documents that have got been gone

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01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,159
through for many many years you do start

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01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,719
to paint a picture that there is

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01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,520
evidence there that contradicts what

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01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,440
their conclusions were you know and and

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01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,080
the socorro uh landing is a prime

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01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,480
example of of just that

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01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,159
and you look at the evidence you look at

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01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:37,840
the photos you look at the credibility

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01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,280
of the witness

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01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,840
you can you can take every other case

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01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:44,320
out of the equation and just use that

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01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,119
one

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01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:47,360
and show that there is actually number

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01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,560
one a threat

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01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,239
number two technology that we don't

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01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:52,800
necessarily have three not everything

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01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:55,600
was explained uh and four you can't just

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,320
dismiss it right and and i i'll liken it

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01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:00,239
to the cure for cancer if you do a

2440
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,239
thousand tests and only one shows

2441
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,800
promise do you give up of course not

2442
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:06,800
because you have promise and i think

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01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,760
that even with a scientific approach

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01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:12,400
uh one case out of a thousand deserves a

2445
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:14,320
closer look especially when you're

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01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:15,840
number one talking about a cure for

2447
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,520
cancer but number two such a revelation

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01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:21,760
that technology could be

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01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,440
out of this world if you want to call it

2450
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,080
that and yet the government military was

2451
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,080
so quick to explain

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01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,480
many more than just one when it came to

2453
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:33,119
ufos and just chalk it up to a lack of

2454
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,320
evidence and and so on and to me it

2455
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:38,159
really showed that project blue book was

2456
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,000
not scientific

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01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,760
i talk about j allen heineck which

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01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,600
obviously that's a buzzword uh here in

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01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:45,280
the last few months with with the

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01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,080
history channel show sadly very heavily

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01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,040
fiction uh you know fictionalized but he

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01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,760
was an amazing individual

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01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:56,239
in real life you know he has an amazing

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01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,520
back story

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01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,440
and so i go through a lot of the project

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01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:00,960
blue book history

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01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:02,800
but what was amazing to me was a

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01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,119
discovery that was made by another

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01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:06,960
researcher rob mercer

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01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:09,679
who i came across when i was doing a

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01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:11,440
research for a television series i was

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01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:12,560
working on

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01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,760
and he had discovered from a former

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01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:17,679
project blue book

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01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,159
personnel officer somebody who took some

2476
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:22,719
souvenirs in the form of documents

2477
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,480
letters books photographs and film reels

2478
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,400
home from wright-patterson air force

2479
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,719
base again you're talking about a time

2480
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,320
where records retention schedules

2481
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:34,000
weren't there they were it was

2482
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,320
unclassified material and it was all

2483
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,480
going to be shredded it was actually

2484
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:41,040
slated for the trash and i found out

2485
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:42,560
about the story i was like yeah there's

2486
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,400
you know there's something fishy here

2487
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,320
and so i tracked down rob and sure

2488
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:48,719
enough it was i mean everything checked

2489
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:52,000
out he had an amazing story he found

2490
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,560
the listing on craigslist

2491
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,199
of somebody selling the documents that

2492
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,360
they found in a garage and was not the

2493
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,119
blue book officer they purchased a home

2494
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,440
and they were accidentally left behind

2495
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:05,600
and rob purchased not only that but

2496
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:08,320
tracked down who the homeowner was and

2497
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,159
lo and behold it was a project blue book

2498
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,719
officer uh it was confirmed you know it

2499
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,280
was it was definitely documented carmen

2500
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:16,960
murano was his name

2501
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,760
and uh and rob tracked him down and and

2502
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:20,960
uh

2503
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,239
not only that box that was left behind

2504
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,159
at the home that he sold but also had

2505
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,920
quite a few more boxes

2506
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,560
and so i worked with rob we got them all

2507
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:34,719
online but the contents

2508
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,520
were fascinating because what it showed

2509
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,280
it solidified

2510
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,679
what i you know and many others have

2511
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:42,960
thought for many years that blue book

2512
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:44,960
was not an investigation

2513
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,440
but rather an explanation

2514
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:49,760
and in these files were records that

2515
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,960
were not in the blue book collection

2516
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,400
meaning that they when they were all

2517
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,920
transferred to the national archives

2518
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,920
whether it's you know fifty thousand

2519
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,760
eighty four thousand whatever formula

2520
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:02,000
you want to use to count them all up

2521
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,520
out of the tens of thousands of pages

2522
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,760
that are there these records

2523
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,320
the majority of them were not there and

2524
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,400
the most interesting ones which were not

2525
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:12,719
in the official files showed how a

2526
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,119
ranking air force officer

2527
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,480
was calling fellow air force enlisted

2528
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,840
officers

2529
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:21,440
imbeciles

2530
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,719
stupid

2531
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,960
stuff like that in official reports like

2532
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,800
this wasn't you know just a memo or

2533
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:28,960
something these were official ufo

2534
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,159
investigations where the ranking officer

2535
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:35,360
who was tasked to investigate the ufos

2536
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:37,520
before he ever went in there

2537
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:39,440
thought literally that the that the

2538
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,880
military officers who saw the ufo were

2539
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:45,119
imbeciles just because they reported a

2540
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,239
ufo

2541
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,880
and it shows a very interesting look at

2542
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,320
the mindset

2543
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,360
of the air force investigators that were

2544
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:55,600
going after these blue book reports of

2545
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,440
course that went into these quote

2546
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:00,320
unquote solved category but it shows how

2547
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:03,679
skewed from a scientific standpoint

2548
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,679
that these investigations really were

2549
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,760
and that was just one page i mean rob

2550
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,920
had come up with some amazing things so

2551
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,679
what i do is i look at all the official

2552
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:13,679
government documents and then you tack

2553
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:16,159
on rob's find which was you know one in

2554
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:17,600
a million

2555
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,880
it shows beyond any shadow of a doubt

2556
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,880
that blue book was not the scientific

2557
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:24,239
explanation that we've been led to

2558
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,360
believe

2559
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,239
but rather it goes into

2560
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:30,880
what seems much more plausible all it

2561
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,719
was doing was explaining what ufos were

2562
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:35,520
and

2563
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,280
into quite a few of of these letters in

2564
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,400
my book

2565
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:42,800
is the fact that jay allen heinek in the

2566
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:45,840
in the latter years of project blue book

2567
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,480
started writing hector quintanilla

2568
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:50,239
or quintanilla however you want to

2569
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,520
pronounce it

2570
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,960
who was the head of project blue book at

2571
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:53,920
the time

2572
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:57,600
asking to go back and revisit the solved

2573
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:00,480
cases because dr heineck either had an

2574
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:03,199
epiphany or realized they were covering

2575
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,320
this up

2576
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:06,800
and he wanted to go back and revisit

2577
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,600
them

2578
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,760
and uh and the ranking officer of

2579
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:12,400
project blue book said no absolutely not

2580
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,280
he was very sternly worded in his

2581
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,760
letters and correspondence and learned

2582
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,440
that dr heineck was out there starting

2583
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:21,520
to reach out to the ufo community at the

2584
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:24,400
time and lecturing and so on

2585
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,040
and that really made him upset so to see

2586
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:29,440
the wording of these letters it was such

2587
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,480
an amazing inside look that i had never

2588
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,400
seen before and in fact i don't think

2589
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,159
the world ever saw before except this

2590
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:38,400
air force officer uh who kept these

2591
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:41,600
things as a souvenir and so uh those are

2592
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,239
the only non-foia documents in the

2593
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:46,080
entire book

2594
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:47,920
but everything you know i mean this this

2595
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:49,840
this guy is documented to be involved

2596
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,480
and then they're real to hoax anything

2597
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:55,119
like that is just out of the question so

2598
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,800
these hundreds and hundreds of pages

2599
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:58,159
that were just stored in a garage

2600
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,600
collecting dust

2601
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,480
really shed a lot of light on what

2602
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,560
project blue book really was yeah i went

2603
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:06,480
through the same thing a couple of

2604
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,840
months ago uh i sat down with uh michael

2605
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:10,800
schratt

2606
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,480
right here in burbank

2607
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,320
and uh

2608
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,400
and went through because as you know

2609
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:19,199
michael went over to the center of ufo

2610
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:22,560
studies uh heinick's offices

2611
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:25,360
and he had complete access for a couple

2612
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:26,639
of years and he would go in there on the

2613
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,560
weekends and they'd let him have at the

2614
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:30,480
file cabinets there

2615
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:31,280
and

2616
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,719
so he

2617
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,119
you know he's got he's got stuff that is

2618
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:37,440
just mind-blowing and i sat there and i

2619
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,679
went through page after page of these

2620
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:41,679
original reports right i'm looking at

2621
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:44,239
them i'm i'm bl i've got copies of a

2622
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,119
bunch

2623
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:46,800
uh here in the bunker

2624
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,679
and

2625
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:50,000
the stuff that is there it was one

2626
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:52,000
report after another that i had never

2627
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:53,199
heard of

2628
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:54,159
right

2629
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,960
and i just thought how much is out there

2630
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:59,199
that heinek was sitting on

2631
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:01,760
uh that obviously uh

2632
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,719
by by that point uh

2633
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,320
you know blue book had been closed for a

2634
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:08,480
number of years but he continued the

2635
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,480
research and he had a lot of stuff

2636
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:15,040
very very credible uh multiple

2637
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,480
eyewitnesses

2638
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:19,280
uh reports that uh

2639
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,760
if schratt hadn't have gone in

2640
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:23,520
and done what he had done and done what

2641
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,679
you are doing now you know what i mean

2642
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,520
we would never have access to these

2643
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,040
documents

2644
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:31,760
yeah and and that is to me is is

2645
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,440
one of the biggest

2646
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:35,520
uh telling pieces of evidence here about

2647
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:36,880
project blue book where you have your

2648
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,199
chief scientific consultant that in the

2649
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:41,600
beginning days was a total skeptic

2650
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:43,600
and goes on through the years to

2651
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,639
investigate and have second thoughts and

2652
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,400
he leaves project blue book to start his

2653
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:50,159
own organization and research ufos

2654
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,760
because he knows there's more to it

2655
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:54,480
that's right that to me is an amazing

2656
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:57,520
uh aspect to that whole story and so

2657
01:47:04,070 --> 01:46:58,239
for

2658
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,080
that that is the the nail in the coffin

2659
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,840
to show that the company line that

2660
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:07,840
foundation that we were talking about

2661
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,320
earlier just falls apart because when

2662
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:12,560
you start to dig in go beyond the

2663
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,719
surface stories and you start to dig in

2664
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,400
and you see the reaction by hynek and

2665
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,560
you see the actual documentation about

2666
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,639
roswell wreckage and you see the you

2667
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,639
know the the ridiculous way that they

2668
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:24,800
dealt with some of these cases and you

2669
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,520
see that the facts are skewed the

2670
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:29,360
statistics are skewed during the blue

2671
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,639
book years

2672
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,040
you can absolutely

2673
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:36,080
conclude that all of that was a joke and

2674
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:38,239
that you need to move beyond that blue

2675
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,719
book era in the sense that we know that

2676
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:42,239
there's more there

2677
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:43,840
but it's going to be very hard to

2678
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:45,199
research we don't know how many

2679
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:47,040
documents were destroyed because again

2680
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:48,719
carmen murano went on the record and

2681
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,520
said they were slated for the trash can

2682
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,360
those were only the ones he took

2683
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:55,280
imagine how much he probably couldn't

2684
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,400
take or didn't know as the decades would

2685
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:01,040
go on that the people like you and me

2686
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,800
and who and everyone listening would

2687
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,880
want to see them imagine how much has

2688
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:06,960
been thrown in the trash and that's just

2689
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:09,520
one ufo project that we know of you know

2690
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,119
imagine all of the other intelligence

2691
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,600
agencies yeah like uh you have this one

2692
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,159
letter here if you don't mind i'm gonna

2693
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,480
read part of it but you

2694
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,480
say in one letter in 1952 which i

2695
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,480
discovered under foia at the air force

2696
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:24,560
historical research agency was written

2697
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:25,440
by

2698
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:29,280
u.s air force major general william f

2699
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:30,320
mckee

2700
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,239
right and you stayed here this is what's

2701
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:34,560
crazy because you have so much material

2702
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:37,040
to go through but you say that you

2703
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,480
discovered this letter while going

2704
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:39,920
through his personal records at the

2705
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,000
archives this was not part of any

2706
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,159
official collection of ufo related

2707
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:47,199
records it was simply by chance that i

2708
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,400
realized the letter was there

2709
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,719
pretty amazing this is like luck and

2710
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,400
listen i want the audience to listen to

2711
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:56,639
what i'm about to read to you here i go

2712
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,159
it's quote

2713
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,679
these uh things are hectic here in

2714
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,880
washington as ever in addition to all of

2715
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,040
our other troubles the flying saucer

2716
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:09,199
boom has started again

2717
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,199
even our radars are picking up

2718
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,600
unidentified objects the press now

2719
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:15,760
thinks we are keeping a big secret from

2720
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,040
them as general twining and i love that

2721
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,239
part right said a day or two ago people

2722
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:24,880
don't seem to realize that we have a few

2723
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:27,600
billion stars in the sky with all of

2724
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:32,239
their associated physical phenomena

2725
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,320
holy crap now yeah

2726
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:38,000
it's a pretty it's a pretty amazing

2727
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:40,080
letter and on top of the power of what

2728
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,280
you just read and the words that he used

2729
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,679
it shows that the quote-unquote project

2730
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,280
blue book collection didn't have

2731
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,400
everything

2732
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,320
that there are these

2733
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:53,280
as high as major generals and above

2734
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:55,840
and their openness to what is out there

2735
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,199
in the universe and this was 1952.

2736
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,119
so they had already been doing ufo

2737
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:03,360
investigations for five years

2738
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:06,000
they had already kind of kept you know

2739
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,520
publicly saying that there was nothing

2740
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:10,000
to the the phenomena and yet here you

2741
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:11,920
have a major general that's stating in

2742
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,800
this letter uh you know this is hectic

2743
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,280
we don't know what we have when you have

2744
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,679
a few billion stars in the sky

2745
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,320
so on multiple levels that was a

2746
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:25,119
fascinating find for me and yeah kind of

2747
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:27,600
on accident i mean i really wasn't i was

2748
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:29,040
going through the files but i really

2749
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:30,719
wasn't saying there's got to be ufo

2750
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:33,119
stuff in his personal collection

2751
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:35,280
that was at the air force office not his

2752
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,840
personal collection but at the air force

2753
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,440
history research office our research

2754
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,480
agency and so a little bit by accident

2755
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:44,159
but that's those are the fines that i

2756
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,960
love

2757
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,880
and you know there's been amazing books

2758
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,400
written over the years about government

2759
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:51,199
documents and government secrets what i

2760
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,560
tried to do in this book is obviously

2761
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,719
deal with the most important ones but

2762
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:56,800
really hone in on the ones that have

2763
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:57,600
have

2764
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:00,960
out before

2765
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,840
uh

2766
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,760
i tried to stick with as many of those

2767
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:04,960
as i could

2768
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:08,159
just simply because to me it just takes

2769
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:10,880
the amazing foundation that researchers

2770
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,119
that have come well before me

2771
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,880
it takes that foundation that they've

2772
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,360
already set and then takes it to the

2773
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:19,920
next step and to that next level that

2774
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:23,040
there is more information that we knew

2775
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:24,880
was was there before

2776
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:27,440
and uh this letter was a prime example

2777
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:30,639
for me to keep digging because i can

2778
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:33,440
tell you i i have felt many times over

2779
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,400
the years

2780
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,199
that i have tapped out meaning that i've

2781
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,440
i've been able to discover all ufo

2782
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:41,679
documents of all the agencies at this

2783
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:42,560
point

2784
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,679
uh the filed foia request to everywhere

2785
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:47,760
but it's a situation like this where you

2786
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,080
come across a letter that's very very

2787
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,560
powerful but on top of that you realize

2788
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:54,880
that they are just hidden in these nooks

2789
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:58,320
and crannies of agencies and archives

2790
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,040
and

2791
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:02,159
i mean it is a very tangled web that

2792
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,119
they have

2793
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,360
woven to try and figure out where

2794
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,520
they're hiding documents because you can

2795
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,679
file a request to the united states air

2796
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,760
force but if you don't file it to the

2797
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:13,520
united states air force's historical

2798
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,040
research agency

2799
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,280
you may not get the same result it's the

2800
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,119
same agency you'd think well why not you

2801
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,360
know you should be able to uh to really

2802
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:24,159
get get the same results but in reality

2803
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:26,800
these agencies are so big

2804
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:29,440
they stretch so far and then to make

2805
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,880
matters worse

2806
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:32,800
they don't communicate so to try and

2807
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:35,199
really put the put the lines together

2808
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:36,719
and connect the dots

2809
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:38,880
it's very very tricky so

2810
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,639
often i've thought i've just tapped out

2811
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,000
on everything and then you make a

2812
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,719
discovery and it branches off into 20

2813
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,320
more foia requests and then you're busy

2814
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,000
for another decade

2815
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:50,960
the uh the belender memo uh

2816
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,719
which is uh

2817
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:54,639
you know another pretty amazing document

2818
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,800
this is dated the 20th of october 1969

2819
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,760
and

2820
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:01,440
but it's not

2821
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,000
the memo itself is a fascinating read

2822
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,480
but when you consider the date 1969

2823
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:08,800
project blue book uh being closed and so

2824
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,000
forth but he says uh for more than 20

2825
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,400
years the air force and i encourage

2826
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,239
everybody if you get the book just for

2827
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:18,239
this one page of

2828
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:19,760
this memo

2829
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,480
uh to see this because it's it's a very

2830
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,480
important document but he says

2831
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,560
that uh blue book has uh the

2832
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:28,400
responsibility within the department of

2833
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,080
defense for the investigation of

2834
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,080
unidentified flying objects for two

2835
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:33,920
reasons a

2836
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,320
and this is

2837
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,360
rocks me a to determine whether ufos

2838
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,119
pose a threat to the security of the

2839
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:43,840
united states and b

2840
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:47,360
to determine whether ufos exhibit any

2841
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:49,840
unique scientific information or

2842
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,239
advanced technology which could

2843
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,400
contribute to the scientific or

2844
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,480
technical research

2845
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,560
and see attachment three

2846
01:54:05,030 --> 01:53:59,520
now

2847
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:05,040
first off how did you get this document

2848
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,119
right and was this something else that

2849
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:09,760
was part of a massive document dump that

2850
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,679
you got lucky with

2851
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:14,239
no actually and i want to give a nod to

2852
01:54:21,390 --> 01:54:19,520
a researcher the late robert todd who i

2853
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:21,400
gave the nod to in the book that back in

2854
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:24,800
1979 he was actually the one that had

2855
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:27,119
discovered this uh through foia and

2856
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,360
stanton friedman has has used this uh

2857
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:31,840
you know quite a bit in in his books and

2858
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,840
so on so i definitely want to give a nod

2859
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:36,239
on this specific one to robert todd who

2860
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,080
i believe was the first

2861
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,040
to find it back in 1979 but this was one

2862
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,199
of those pieces of the puzzle that

2863
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,440
really just excelled the story for me

2864
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,280
that you have all that other evidence to

2865
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:49,440
show that blue book was a joke but then

2866
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,599
the bollinder memo comes in

2867
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:53,599
and says in addition to what you had

2868
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:56,639
just referenced that uh the cases that

2869
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,960
really did kind of show a threat to you

2870
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:00,719
know national security

2871
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:04,159
were not part of the blue book system

2872
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:06,000
which meant that you know

2873
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:07,840
this is

2874
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,679
that in my mind solidifies the cover-up

2875
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:15,840
blue book was the public story to calm

2876
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:18,400
everybody down and make them go away

2877
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,840
and i'll give you the exact quote it

2878
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,599
says moreover reports of unidentified

2879
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,960
flying objects which could affect

2880
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:25,119
national security are made in accordance

2881
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:28,880
with jan f146 or air force manual 5511

2882
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,440
and are not part of the blue book system

2883
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,360
that was attachment 10.

2884
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:35,119
that is one of the most important lines

2885
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:38,000
of that entire memo because the the now

2886
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,760
the concept is

2887
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:42,400
where did they go so when i had read

2888
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:44,880
about this memo what i did was kind of

2889
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:47,280
explore that jan up 146 what does that

2890
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:48,239
mean

2891
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,239
in the acronym stands for joint army

2892
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:52,719
navy air force publication and then that

2893
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,400
air force manual both have been

2894
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,400
rescinded since

2895
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:57,920
you know this time frame meaning they're

2896
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:59,599
no longer on the books

2897
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,679
but that has been that public line and

2898
01:56:04,750 --> 01:56:03,280
that goes back to my story about air

2899
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:04,760
force manual

2900
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:08,159
10-206 which the public line was we're

2901
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:11,119
not interested in ufos anymore so air

2902
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,560
force manual 5511 went away and janup

2903
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,880
146 he had stayed around for a little

2904
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:18,239
while but

2905
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:20,719
that was ultimately rescinded

2906
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,280
so that had been that public line until

2907
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:25,760
uh when i discovered air force manual

2908
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:27,599
10-206

2909
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:29,599
so to those listening if this sounds

2910
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:32,400
tedious it absolutely is and that is the

2911
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,520
challenge

2912
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:35,440
when trying to put all of these pieces

2913
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:38,159
of the puzzle together and to try and

2914
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,440
make a cohesive timeline of how all of

2915
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:43,920
this rolled out but the bollinder memo

2916
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:46,320
solidified the project blue book

2917
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:49,119
did not see the important things now to

2918
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:52,480
any scientific study on anything

2919
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,639
you cannot withhold evidence if you're

2920
01:56:58,070 --> 01:56:56,560
trying to draw a conclusion

2921
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,080
you just can't

2922
01:57:01,990 --> 01:57:00,400
so if you're telling me that there is a

2923
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:02,000
scientific investigation known as

2924
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,840
project blue book and they saw ufo

2925
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:05,280
reports and they tried to get an answer

2926
01:57:07,990 --> 01:57:06,719
and their conclusion was that there was

2927
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:08,000
nothing to it

2928
01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,520
and in your next breath behind the

2929
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:11,040
scenes you're stating yeah but they

2930
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:12,800
didn't get all the evidence that means

2931
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:14,880
the conclusion is not that that means

2932
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:17,679
you cannot conclude anything if you're

2933
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:20,159
withholding evidence because the whole

2934
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:21,920
point of project blue book was to tell

2935
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:23,840
the public there is no threat to

2936
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,000
national security yet behind the scenes

2937
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:27,840
they're saying uh those that do affect

2938
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,440
national security they're going over to

2939
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:31,520
that building instead you know i mean

2940
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:33,920
none of that makes sense nor does it

2941
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,560
support a scientific approach to this to

2942
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:39,040
this phenomena at all and the bolonder

2943
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,000
memo definitely solidified that let's

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3049
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welcome back fade to black i'm yours

3060
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jimmy church i guess tonight john

3061
02:03:06,830 --> 02:03:05,280
greenwald the black vault

3062
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of course it is

3063
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theblackvault.com the links are over at

3064
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jimmychurchradio.com the new book

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is called inside the black vault and

3066
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that website is inside theblackvault.com

3067
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now john i'm i want to switch gears but

3068
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:23,679
before we do

3069
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,719
um

3070
02:03:30,470 --> 02:03:26,639
what does it feel like

3071
02:03:32,709 --> 02:03:30,480
when you know that there is a cia

3072
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:32,719
employee right now

3073
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:34,239
with uh

3074
02:03:39,510 --> 02:03:37,040
address labels for john greenwald in

3075
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,520
their desk drawer right i mean what does

3076
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:41,599
that feel like when you posted those

3077
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:44,080
images last year of that big box from

3078
02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:46,560
the cia that arrived at the house

3079
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:48,560
that that kind of creeped me out a

3080
02:03:52,629 --> 02:03:50,480
little bit but it was pretty exciting

3081
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,639
nonetheless but i don't think anybody

3082
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:54,880
wants to receive mail from the cia do

3083
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:56,400
they

3084
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:58,560
well i do i'll take it every day if i

3085
02:04:01,910 --> 02:03:59,760
could

3086
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:01,920
uh it's it's a little creepy to think

3087
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,520
about but you know what i mean there's a

3088
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:05,040
lot of nice people at a lot of these

3089
02:04:10,709 --> 02:04:08,639
agencies the cia uh it became real

3090
02:04:13,149 --> 02:04:10,719
challenging last year that box became a

3091
02:04:14,790 --> 02:04:13,159
pretty big news story uh at the end of

3092
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:14,800
2018

3093
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:17,440
and those were literally

3094
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:20,960
thousands of pages of mk ultra material

3095
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:22,159
that

3096
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:26,400
long

3097
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:29,440
uh tale that stretched years

3098
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:31,760
of fighting and so i know that they i

3099
02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:33,520
know firsthand that they were not happy

3100
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:36,320
about how that came about and so getting

3101
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:38,639
the mail doesn't bother me it's when you

3102
02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:40,880
try and talk to and this was documented

3103
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,320
in the media too

3104
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:44,400
that the foia case officer wouldn't even

3105
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,239
give me his name

3106
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:48,480
and i out of all the agencies i've ever

3107
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:50,719
dealt with i've never had that before it

3108
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,199
was just silliness uh but yeah it makes

3109
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:55,440
you a little bit um you know you shift

3110
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,719
in your chair a little bit when you're

3111
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,400
talking to somebody and he refuses to

3112
02:05:02,149 --> 02:05:00,400
give you his name and it's like just

3113
02:05:03,189 --> 02:05:02,159
make up some let me call you mike you

3114
02:05:04,870 --> 02:05:03,199
know

3115
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:04,880
and yet that's what i had to deal with

3116
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:08,000
so i try not to get paranoid but there

3117
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:09,679
is a point where you just kind of squirm

3118
02:05:13,669 --> 02:05:11,360
in your chair a little bit and go i hope

3119
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:13,679
i'm not making a mistake with my life

3120
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:16,719
like anything else john uh do you have

3121
02:05:22,390 --> 02:05:19,119
you have you built a personal

3122
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:22,400
relationships uh with a few individuals

3123
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:24,320
at these agencies when you're when

3124
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:25,920
you're trying to get to the bottom of

3125
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:27,280
some of these documents do you have

3126
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:28,320
people that

3127
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:31,040
that uh take your phone calls

3128
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:33,199
i yeah and i feel that there's a

3129
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,199
personal relationship they may hate me

3130
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:37,520
down to my core but uh but no i think

3131
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:39,360
that that there's a lot of

3132
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,599
uh and more than a few again i want to

3133
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:43,119
give credit because i know that they

3134
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:45,520
deal with a lot you know just dealing

3135
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,199
with me is a lot

3136
02:05:52,149 --> 02:05:49,760
so uh that i give him a lot of respect

3137
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,159
for because i you know i i push i but

3138
02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:54,480
legally but i push for records but i'm

3139
02:05:57,910 --> 02:05:56,080
not the only one

3140
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:57,920
and some of these agencies literally get

3141
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:59,840
thousands and thousands of requests a

3142
02:06:02,550 --> 02:06:00,880
year

3143
02:06:04,070 --> 02:06:02,560
and so they don't only have to deal with

3144
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:04,080
me they deal with thousands of other

3145
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:06,000
people that are pushing and

3146
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:08,480
and and creating a workload so i've

3147
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:10,320
always tried to appreciate that i've

3148
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,760
always tried to have personal

3149
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:13,199
relationships

3150
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:14,000
with

3151
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:16,080
the agencies and sometimes it doesn't

3152
02:06:20,149 --> 02:06:18,159
always work i mean i like to think

3153
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,159
that i have a relationship with one or

3154
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:22,560
two of the officers at the cia but sadly

3155
02:06:26,070 --> 02:06:24,320
i don't think so

3156
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,080
just because i know that

3157
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:28,239
when you when you get media attention

3158
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,880
and you profile something that makes an

3159
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:32,639
agency look bad i don't want to just

3160
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,239
pick on the cia and there's been a lot

3161
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,159
of you know media stories that have

3162
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,840
profiled documents that i've come out

3163
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:39,840
with not just on ufos but a lot of

3164
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:42,159
things and so when when you're making an

3165
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,320
agency not necessarily look on the up

3166
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:46,320
and up and that is

3167
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,239
a challenge for me because i i don't

3168
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,560
want to make people look bad but it's

3169
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,239
important history

3170
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,239
but the result of that is that you know

3171
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,719
they probably don't like you that much

3172
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,040
because you're getting the dirt out

3173
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,960
there and the freedom of information act

3174
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:02,320
that generates

3175
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:04,800
these these fines and these nuggets of

3176
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:07,119
of truth and history and it's all

3177
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:10,000
fascinating sometimes it's hard to

3178
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:12,079
publish it you know and and i know that

3179
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:13,679
last year when i'm

3180
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:16,079
you know releasing documents that i do i

3181
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:17,199
have no evidence that they've been

3182
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:20,159
released before uh the cia tried to tell

3183
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:21,599
me they were and i believe that i've

3184
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:23,679
proven that false but that they were

3185
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,639
implanting chips into the brains of dogs

3186
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:28,800
and and trying to remote control them

3187
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:31,119
and were successful at it uh just to

3188
02:07:35,589 --> 02:07:33,760
give you a very quick synopsis

3189
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:35,599
that's dirty laundry you know i mean

3190
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:37,679
this and this was in the 60s and they

3191
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:40,000
were successfully doing that and so then

3192
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:41,280
that begs the question what are they

3193
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:44,000
doing today that's dirty laundry and so

3194
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:46,800
sadly as a result i don't think i'm on

3195
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,880
their christmas list every year

3196
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:51,119
but i do try and work hard to to be on

3197
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,480
that list how does it work you know that

3198
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:56,239
there are many

3199
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,560
out there that try to attempt a foia

3200
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,760
release

3201
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:01,920
and their letter is something like send

3202
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:05,119
me everything uh on the ufo subject

3203
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:08,000
right and and off the letter goes that's

3204
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:10,400
not how it works is it how do you

3205
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:11,760
approach

3206
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:15,360
uh getting documents released

3207
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:17,840
it's a it's a tough line to skate

3208
02:08:22,229 --> 02:08:19,920
because you want to be broad enough that

3209
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,239
you're not missing anything but not too

3210
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,440
specific because then they will uh not

3211
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,599
give you some things that you want so if

3212
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,280
you get dates wrong if you get names

3213
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:31,599
wrong again those specifics may come

3214
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:33,760
back and haunt you you have to skate the

3215
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,159
line between the two and if you're too

3216
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:38,719
broad like give me everything you got on

3217
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,199
you know blue book or or something like

3218
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:43,199
to that effect

3219
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:44,880
that's kind of a silly example but the

3220
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:46,639
result would be tens of thousands of

3221
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:49,599
pages and so they reject your request

3222
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:52,000
based on the fact that it's too broad so

3223
02:08:55,910 --> 02:08:53,920
you have to find the language that

3224
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,920
rounds it down to something that's not

3225
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,239
burdensome which is the the legal

3226
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,400
language that they'll use to reject it

3227
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,880
so it's not too burdensome but not

3228
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:04,880
specific enough that you're going to

3229
02:09:08,790 --> 02:09:06,079
miss something

3230
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:08,800
and uh and it's not easy it depends on

3231
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:10,880
agency to agency they all play different

3232
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,239
games uh some are very very genuine and

3233
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:16,880
they want to process your request

3234
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:18,960
while others are so fed up with foia

3235
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,199
requesters they want to change the law

3236
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:23,040
department of interior was trying to

3237
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:26,000
change the law last year to put limits

3238
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,119
on on foia requesters and so

3239
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:32,400
you do have pushback to a public law and

3240
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:34,639
a right that you and i and actually

3241
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:36,960
everybody on the planet has you don't

3242
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:39,280
have to be an american to use the foia

3243
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:41,199
and uh they're trying to push but some

3244
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:43,599
agencies are trying to push back and

3245
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,760
limit what we can do and what we can

3246
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:46,719
access

3247
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:49,520
and so um going back to your question

3248
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:51,360
it's it's a very tough one to answer

3249
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:53,679
because every agency is different in how

3250
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:55,280
they treat you

3251
02:10:01,589 --> 02:09:58,000
uh antarctica uh i just want to talk

3252
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:01,599
about this briefly uh there is that's

3253
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:04,000
the biggest chatter right now as you

3254
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:05,599
know in the ufo community you know

3255
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:08,159
what's going on in antarctica uh have

3256
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:12,480
you done anything in in that area

3257
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,280
well i mean high jump in antarctica i

3258
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:17,199
mean high jump i've gone after documents

3259
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:20,000
on on high jump if that's what you mean

3260
02:10:25,030 --> 02:10:23,040
that that's part of it and then we have

3261
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:25,040
all of the modern

3262
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:27,199
uh you know going back to whistleblowers

3263
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:29,599
and things that are happening today that

3264
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:30,960
there are

3265
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:33,280
things that have been discovered since

3266
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:35,599
high jump and the reason for going down

3267
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:37,040
there was high jump

3268
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:38,719
um is there

3269
02:10:43,510 --> 02:10:40,880
is there a way to go about that to see

3270
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:43,520
if we do have specific

3271
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,840
uh teams down there uh doing

3272
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:47,920
archaeological stuff and if there is

3273
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:54,069
i mean it's it's a tough one unless you

3274
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:57,280
find some kind of shred of evidence that

3275
02:11:01,750 --> 02:10:59,840
they you know have a ship down there or

3276
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:01,760
a vehicle down there or something that

3277
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:05,440
that launches you i mean high jump was a

3278
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:07,520
massive operation

3279
02:11:12,069 --> 02:11:10,480
uh in in in the late 1940s that was

3280
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:12,079
going down there so they couldn't hide

3281
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:15,119
it so we're able to go after documents

3282
02:11:18,149 --> 02:11:16,719
i'd have to know a little bit more of

3283
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:18,159
exactly what you're talking about if

3284
02:11:23,350 --> 02:11:20,079
there are specific

3285
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:23,360
pieces of evidence reports media reports

3286
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:25,840
all of those types of uh pieces of

3287
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:28,320
evidence from the public world from the

3288
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:31,360
public domain can be used to then spawn

3289
02:11:38,709 --> 02:11:32,800
a

3290
02:11:41,030 --> 02:11:38,719
when whenever you're in doubt if there's

3291
02:11:43,109 --> 02:11:41,040
any foia hounds out there that want to

3292
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:43,119
learn if you're ever in doubt on what

3293
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:45,760
agency to send it to uh it really

3294
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,599
doesn't hurt to send it to you know a

3295
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:49,920
couple of them or all of them

3296
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:52,000
you know to try and find information so

3297
02:12:03,750 --> 02:11:52,719
i

3298
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:03,760
see where you end up and then you uh you

3299
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:05,840
morph it accordingly

3300
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,320
so for instance and i'm looking at the

3301
02:12:11,750 --> 02:12:10,159
clock and we are quickly running out of

3302
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,760
time and we've got so much more to talk

3303
02:12:15,589 --> 02:12:13,679
about but something like the pyramid

3304
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:15,599
right that has been reported

3305
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,960
uh to be down in antarctica is there a

3306
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,560
way to

3307
02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:22,239
you know just with that knowledge where

3308
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,400
would you go to uh with that would you

3309
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:25,760
go to

3310
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:28,639
i don't know the smithsonian almost uh

3311
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:32,880
who would do the uh the research on that

3312
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:35,199
uh yeah that that's again a tough one to

3313
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:37,520
answer i mean you you would you would

3314
02:12:41,189 --> 02:12:39,280
just have to kind of dig in a little bit

3315
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:41,199
to see if there's any shred of evidence

3316
02:12:44,950 --> 02:12:43,280
that there is an interest right and if

3317
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:44,960
there is an interest and an interest by

3318
02:12:48,950 --> 02:12:47,440
who and go from there it's a tedious

3319
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:48,960
process don't get me i wish there was an

3320
02:12:52,709 --> 02:12:50,480
easy answer for you

3321
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:52,719
uh on what agency might potentially do

3322
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:53,520
that

3323
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:56,800
um but you can you can fit research into

3324
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:58,880
into every military agency if you wanted

3325
02:13:03,109 --> 02:13:00,719
to if they had an interest in it but

3326
02:13:05,669 --> 02:13:03,119
again you need that evidence to show uh

3327
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:05,679
something to spawn that foia request

3328
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:08,800
now where are we today

3329
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:12,560
in in the agencies and the pentagon

3330
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:15,360
you've been releasing and doing a lot of

3331
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:18,079
uh requests lately about current

3332
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:19,360
projects

3333
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:21,280
that are uh

3334
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:24,639
uh are said to exist uh within the

3335
02:13:31,350 --> 02:13:26,800
military industrial complex

3336
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:31,360
so where are we today is the pentagon is

3337
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:35,199
the military is the cia today

3338
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,360
interested in ufos and continuing the

3339
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:39,760
investigation

3340
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:42,880
my safest assumption would be yes the

3341
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:44,560
proof that i had that they were still

3342
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:46,239
interested obviously they covered that

3343
02:13:51,189 --> 02:13:48,320
up with the air force connection

3344
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:51,199
uh there are certain things like uh in

3345
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:53,920
the i have one chapter about the

3346
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:55,520
nuclear what i call the nuclear

3347
02:14:00,470 --> 02:13:58,079
connection between ufos and so i went to

3348
02:14:03,430 --> 02:14:00,480
the the nuclear regulatory commission or

3349
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:03,440
the nrc and to my surprise that i was

3350
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,320
able to uncover documents about a

3351
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,880
ufo encounter at cooper nuclear station

3352
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:10,400
that occurred that had never really been

3353
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:13,199
out before and a security guard who

3354
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:14,800
was there when it happened they never

3355
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:17,920
reported it but he felt that after years

3356
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,639
had passed that he should and so he

3357
02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:22,320
actually filed an official report and

3358
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:25,040
the nrc took it you know very

3359
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:28,800
seriously and uh and and they filed the

3360
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,280
report and and it ended up being on a

3361
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,679
need to know basis so i believe that

3362
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:35,040
there is still

3363
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,280
interest in it and by the way the the

3364
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:39,440
uh documentation that existed was from

3365
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:40,800
2010

3366
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:42,880
so i'm not going back to the 1950s

3367
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:44,480
making a discovery like that i mean this

3368
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:47,040
is you know in the last 10 years or so

3369
02:14:50,310 --> 02:14:48,560
so there's there's definitely an

3370
02:14:53,270 --> 02:14:50,320
interest from a national security

3371
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:53,280
standpoint as there should be and that

3372
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:54,960
was one of the biggest things that i

3373
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:57,119
feel that even i taught myself when i

3374
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:59,119
was writing this book on how much

3375
02:15:03,830 --> 02:15:00,639
evidence there is to show that there is

3376
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:03,840
a massive national security threat

3377
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:06,480
that leads into now the big debate

3378
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,719
away from cooper nuclear station in

3379
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:10,320
nebraska about the document i just

3380
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:11,520
talked about

3381
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:14,159
uh and now leads into this whole debate

3382
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:15,520
about atip

3383
02:15:21,910 --> 02:15:18,560
and this is a very if you follow it

3384
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,920
fairly controversial uh controversial

3385
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:24,400
discussion on whether or not atip was

3386
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:27,679
ufo related and you know i've i have

3387
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:30,239
been kind of branded as the skeptic on

3388
02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:31,280
this

3389
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:34,960
but i am digging hard for documents to

3390
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:37,280
kind of back up the current claims and

3391
02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:39,920
obviously the the biggest um uh

3392
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:42,079
spokesperson for this story would be mr

3393
02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:44,639
luis elizondo uh the man that we have

3394
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:47,199
seen all throughout the media uh since

3395
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,880
december of 2017 when the story broke

3396
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,880
now the way i approach it going back to

3397
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:54,400
the beginning of our conversation is

3398
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:56,400
that journalistic standard i don't claim

3399
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:57,760
to be a journalist i've already said

3400
02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:58,639
that

3401
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:02,239
and figure out

3402
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:05,520
what documentation if any can support

3403
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:06,800
the claims

3404
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,079
and there's a lot of reaction from the

3405
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,719
general public on that pursuit some

3406
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:14,719
people just want to believe him

3407
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,400
and that's enough and that's okay i've

3408
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:17,760
never said that there's anything wrong

3409
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:18,880
with that

3410
02:16:24,229 --> 02:16:21,599
but if you follow the evidence of what

3411
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:24,239
not only mr elizondo has said but even

3412
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:26,800
senator harry reid and harry reid is the

3413
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:28,880
one i'll really quote here is that there

3414
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:32,399
is more than 80 percent or 80 plus of

3415
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:34,240
the information related to a tip that is

3416
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,519
unclassified

3417
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:36,960
that means there's a lot of documents

3418
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:38,880
there so we shouldn't give up you know i

3419
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,040
mean unless senator reid is wrong i

3420
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:43,280
don't know who wants to argue that point

3421
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,519
uh but we have a lot of unclassified

3422
02:16:49,509 --> 02:16:47,359
information for us to access and that's

3423
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:49,519
what i'm pushing for and last week i had

3424
02:16:52,790 --> 02:16:51,679
a pretty big triumph actually two of

3425
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,800
them

3426
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:54,800
which goes back to my first interview

3427
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:57,040
with you about this where we went in

3428
02:17:02,150 --> 02:16:58,960
much much more in depth

3429
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:02,160
but when i received the original denial

3430
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:04,240
of no records from the secretary of

3431
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:06,559
defense's office and that is where mr

3432
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:09,760
elizondo has said that he has worked

3433
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:11,439
now even though i've talked about that

3434
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:13,519
request and you know according to the

3435
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:15,040
government the defense intelligence

3436
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:16,719
agency is the one to release these

3437
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:17,920
documents

3438
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:20,399
i immediately filed an appeal

3439
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:22,240
now the letters that i have outstanding

3440
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:24,319
i generally don't talk about i might

3441
02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:25,760
make reference to it real quick but i

3442
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:27,840
don't dive deep into it because i want

3443
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:29,599
it to play out before i start making

3444
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:30,559
claims

3445
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:34,160
and from december of 2017 all the way

3446
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,359
through to the beginning of of last week

3447
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,000
on march 18

3448
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,800
of 2019 i got a respect a response

3449
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:45,280
letter and my appeal was granted and

3450
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,280
that's a pretty big win under foia and

3451
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:49,120
my appeal was the fact that they said

3452
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:51,599
that they had no records on atip

3453
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:54,160
and then later stated anything related

3454
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:57,920
to atip was going to be released by dia

3455
02:18:02,230 --> 02:18:00,399
but if you listen to the stories okay so

3456
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:02,240
let's i want the audience to understand

3457
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:04,880
what you're uh saying here

3458
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:07,679
we're talking about two different

3459
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:09,200
agencies

3460
02:18:13,429 --> 02:18:10,559
where

3461
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,439
these records would possibly lie the

3462
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:15,679
first search you did

3463
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,800
was with what agency

3464
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:20,639
the one that mr elizondo said that he

3465
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:22,319
worked at which is the office of the

3466
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:24,880
secretary of defense or osd you'll hear

3467
02:18:28,709 --> 02:18:26,960
me say osd yeah that's i want these

3468
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,719
monikers correct so everybody

3469
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:30,080
understands

3470
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:33,200
so elizondo was osd

3471
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:36,000
and that's where you went originally was

3472
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:37,519
to osd

3473
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:40,319
correct and uh and i did that in october

3474
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:42,960
of 2017 with when to the stars did their

3475
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:44,800
press conference and mr elizondo was

3476
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:46,319
introduced to the world

3477
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:48,800
uh atip i didn't have the name yet that

3478
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:50,800
didn't break until december with the new

3479
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:53,359
york times article but i quoted him and

3480
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:56,160
used his publicly available testimony to

3481
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:58,719
describe the program uh it came up with

3482
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:01,359
a no records response after december

3483
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:03,439
came around i had called their their

3484
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:06,080
office and said that it's a tip uh and

3485
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,200
that spawned off into a dilemma

3486
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:10,880
controversy about the what the actual

3487
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:14,399
name was but regardless atip was then

3488
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:15,679
said to me

3489
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:18,880
to be within the defense intelligence

3490
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:21,760
agency so that's separate that osd

3491
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:23,359
and the defense intelligence agency

3492
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,760
you'll hear me say as dia

3493
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:27,599
and so i immediately filed for your

3494
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,800
request there but at the same time

3495
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:32,800
it never made sense to me that mr

3496
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:35,519
elizondo working for osd that's what he

3497
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:36,719
said

3498
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,359
uh would be heading a project at another

3499
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:41,200
agency they're all under the guise of

3500
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:42,880
the department of defense

3501
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:44,479
but it never made sense to me it might

3502
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:46,160
be an easy answer he might be listening

3503
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:48,000
right now he goes john you're an idiot

3504
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:50,240
because of xyz great i just don't know

3505
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:52,160
of any other project as long as i've

3506
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:54,160
done this that i can reference to say

3507
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:56,080
someone from osd

3508
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:58,720
is heading another agency's project but

3509
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:01,120
so i you know filed to dia

3510
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:03,760
but at the same time i filed the

3511
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:05,600
official appeal

3512
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:07,520
stating that based on the wording of my

3513
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:09,680
letter there still should be something

3514
02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:12,080
there and it took until march 18th of

3515
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:14,000
2019 for them to say

3516
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:15,760
your appeal is granted

3517
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:18,720
and so that's forced them to then search

3518
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,600
for records again here's the kicker

3519
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,080
within two days i had a final response

3520
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:26,000
to my reopened request

3521
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:27,760
and they confirmed this the first time

3522
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,520
in a foia letter that they confirmed

3523
02:20:35,830 --> 02:20:31,840
that mr elizondo worked for them and

3524
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:35,840
retired in or around the october 2017

3525
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:37,840
date so that matched up with what he was

3526
02:20:44,950 --> 02:20:41,280
saying but they they did not do a search

3527
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:44,960
for records so i appealed again

3528
02:20:50,309 --> 02:20:47,520
and so it was kind of a win on two ways

3529
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:50,319
because they said yes he worked here but

3530
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:53,200
we don't know anything about any program

3531
02:20:57,910 --> 02:20:55,200
dealing with you know unidentified

3532
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:57,920
aerial threats so they stood by the fact

3533
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:00,080
that there was no quote unquote ufo

3534
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:03,040
aspect to this and i didn't say ufo uh

3535
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:05,520
you know there's a lot of again people

3536
02:21:10,389 --> 02:21:07,280
out there that try to attack and they

3537
02:21:11,910 --> 02:21:10,399
say well if you go for ufo information

3538
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:11,920
they've changed the key word and they

3539
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:14,080
changed the acronym the way that i word

3540
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,319
requests are not going after ufo

3541
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:18,560
documents when it comes to atip right so

3542
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,040
that that argument does not stand true

3543
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:23,600
it can't be true and so they confirmed

3544
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,520
in their letter that that they know

3545
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:27,439
nothing about what he is talking about

3546
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:29,280
about the unidentified aerial threats

3547
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,120
whether that's a lie or not i don't know

3548
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,600
but i'm just stating what they said

3549
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,280
but they said in the same letter they

3550
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,680
did not conduct another search because

3551
02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:39,120
they just based the assumption that they

3552
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,280
just didn't have anything so i turned

3553
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,520
around and filed a second appeal

3554
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:46,160
and i won that appeal last week now no

3555
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:48,880
matter what you think about atip and mr

3556
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:51,439
elizondo and was it or wasn't it a ufo

3557
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:54,800
program that's a big win for everyone

3558
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:56,560
including to the stars

3559
02:22:03,830 --> 02:21:59,600
because there are two years of documents

3560
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:03,840
on atip from 2010 to 2012 that are at

3561
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:06,160
osd they just i mean that's just how the

3562
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,439
government works

3563
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:08,640
and

3564
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,200
you know it's a very long

3565
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:13,359
journey here since i started this but it

3566
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:16,800
is confirmed that osd had it from 2010

3567
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:19,760
to 2012. so the argument that they said

3568
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,560
it was all dia was bunk and that's why i

3569
02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:25,760
won my appeal and then i won my second

3570
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:27,280
appeal based on the fact they didn't do

3571
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:29,359
what they were supposed to do

3572
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,760
he was confirmed to work for osd or dia

3573
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:34,880
osd

3574
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:41,439
the original dia uh misdirection

3575
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,560
that came from elizondo

3576
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:47,920
um no in fairness that was osd that told

3577
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:50,399
me that the defense intelligence agency

3578
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,160
here's another acronym for you would be

3579
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:54,720
what's called the opr so the opr is the

3580
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:56,960
office of primary responsibility for

3581
02:23:02,150 --> 02:22:59,760
declassifying a document so very quickly

3582
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:02,160
if a cia creates a document and they

3583
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:04,080
forward it to the state department and

3584
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,640
the army or you know whomever if you

3585
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:08,240
request that document from the state

3586
02:23:12,710 --> 02:23:10,479
department or the army or whomever

3587
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,720
they have to revert it back to the cia

3588
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:14,479
because they authored it and they're the

3589
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:17,359
opr so they were claiming that dia was

3590
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:19,680
the opr for everything related to the

3591
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,080
atip program right and i fought it

3592
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:24,560
because that didn't make sense i and i i

3593
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:26,800
i fought that immediately

3594
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:29,040
in december of 2017. it took that long

3595
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:31,359
to get the appeal granted so it was it

3596
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:34,319
was a pretty big win but it was osd that

3597
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:37,920
that led it to uh dia now here's where

3598
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:38,880
um

3599
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:41,439
i will also add that mr elizondo has

3600
02:23:46,230 --> 02:23:43,840
added to the confusion in a recent

3601
02:23:48,469 --> 02:23:46,240
lecture that that i watched the video of

3602
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,479
that's been put online uh somebody had

3603
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:51,200
asked him from the audience that uh

3604
02:23:53,910 --> 02:23:52,560
you know if you're filing for a request

3605
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:53,920
where should you go

3606
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,840
and uh he i'm paraphrasing but he

3607
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,359
essentially said if i was a betting man

3608
02:24:02,710 --> 02:23:59,280
i would stick with dia

3609
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:02,720
now that to me makes absolutely no sense

3610
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:05,120
because it is documented including mr

3611
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,960
elizondo's words i mean i'm not i'm not

3612
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:09,040
saying the government says it uh mr

3613
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,319
elizondo says it from 2010 to 2012 and

3614
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:14,399
in fact he says it still continued after

3615
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:16,880
that date when it was canceled uh it was

3616
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:18,160
at osd

3617
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:20,479
what that means is is that now osd

3618
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:23,760
becomes the opr for documents dated 2010

3619
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:25,359
to 2012.

3620
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,439
why would he have the answer to shift

3621
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:30,160
everybody to dia i don't know well if

3622
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:32,640
you were going to speculate on that and

3623
02:24:38,469 --> 02:24:35,840
i hate to ask you to speculate but yeah

3624
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:38,479
shouldn't he know the difference

3625
02:24:42,150 --> 02:24:40,800
absolutely and i'm confident he does i

3626
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:42,160
don't want to say he's maliciously

3627
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:44,399
misleading what i want to know is

3628
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,720
why does he find no importance to the

3629
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:49,040
two years of documents at osd

3630
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:51,200
because the dia has gone on the record

3631
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:54,800
in writing to me that in 2009 the

3632
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:58,240
osd had reviewed the project the program

3633
02:25:02,710 --> 02:24:59,840
at dia

3634
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:02,720
and they felt that it was

3635
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:04,960
not producing results and that after

3636
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:07,040
that next next fiscal year which was

3637
02:25:12,150 --> 02:25:10,000
2010 they were going to transfer it out

3638
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,160
dia never told me who but it's obvious

3639
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:15,120
it was osd because you know it kind of

3640
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:17,520
all coincides with that uh and and what

3641
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,240
mr elizondo has said so why would he

3642
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,000
omit

3643
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:24,560
us meaning foia requesters to go after

3644
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:27,040
two years worth of atip related uh

3645
02:25:31,030 --> 02:25:28,560
documents and i don't know the answer to

3646
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:31,040
that may also have a very easy

3647
02:25:35,670 --> 02:25:33,520
explanation and i'd love to ask him if i

3648
02:25:38,070 --> 02:25:35,680
had the opportunity i've tried

3649
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:38,080
for a long time to to interview him and

3650
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:40,560
ask these questions not combatively but

3651
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:42,640
but um you know in a friendly way but

3652
02:25:46,230 --> 02:25:44,560
just clarify some of these things

3653
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:46,240
because on the surface this is this is

3654
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:47,680
what i mean about there's there's

3655
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:49,840
surface stories and then once you start

3656
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:52,720
to dig in there are questions that arise

3657
02:25:57,990 --> 02:25:55,840
and maybe just maybe questions have very

3658
02:26:00,309 --> 02:25:58,000
easy answers and that's fine

3659
02:26:02,150 --> 02:26:00,319
but asking those questions does not mean

3660
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:02,160
that you are trying to disrespect the

3661
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:04,640
story or debunk the story or attack

3662
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:07,920
anybody's patriotism or or integrity uh

3663
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:10,160
but sadly some people you know believe

3664
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:11,439
that and

3665
02:26:15,990 --> 02:26:13,040
you know there's a lot of heat out there

3666
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:16,000
from a select group of people that are

3667
02:26:22,950 --> 02:26:19,280
very big fans of to the stars academy

3668
02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:22,960
very big fans of mr luis elizondo and if

3669
02:26:28,070 --> 02:26:25,120
you say anything that goes against what

3670
02:26:30,389 --> 02:26:28,080
they are saying on the surface uh you're

3671
02:26:33,030 --> 02:26:30,399
like a bad guy and i don't understand

3672
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:33,040
that and and i and i hope that they i

3673
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:35,760
appreciate that passion uh but i hope

3674
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:38,160
instead of you know attacking me which

3675
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:41,040
i've uh sadly have kind of fallen into

3676
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:43,600
uh being a victim of of more attacks

3677
02:26:47,750 --> 02:26:45,600
versus discussion i don't mind if people

3678
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:47,760
disagree with me but the attacking it

3679
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:50,640
just has to stop funnel the passion into

3680
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,880
finding answers you know like i can have

3681
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:54,240
an opinion and say i really don't

3682
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,560
believe a tip was ufo related

3683
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:58,560
but what does it matter what i think i'm

3684
02:27:02,550 --> 02:27:00,080
going after the documents to either

3685
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:02,560
prove or disprove that what i'm worried

3686
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:05,359
about at this point now that you know

3687
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:07,359
well more than a year has passed

3688
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:10,960
that at this point the water is so muddy

3689
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,399
that let's just say the government

3690
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:14,080
releases documents and there's no shred

3691
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:16,479
of evidence that there's ufos involved

3692
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:19,040
the line has been drawn in the sand so

3693
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:20,399
definitively

3694
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:21,439
that you're going to have a group of

3695
02:27:24,230 --> 02:27:22,640
people that are just going to say who

3696
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:24,240
cares it's still a ufo program they're

3697
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:26,319
covering it all up yeah it's a smoke

3698
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:28,319
right right right so so then the

3699
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:30,080
question mark is who do you believe at

3700
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:31,840
that point and i'm not saying who to

3701
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:32,880
believe i'm not saying well if the

3702
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:34,000
government comes out with that it's

3703
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:36,160
gospel no i just wrote a book about how

3704
02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:39,040
what they say is not gospel so i'm very

3705
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:40,960
open to the fact that they're lying but

3706
02:27:45,750 --> 02:27:42,720
with their own documents i've been able

3707
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:45,760
to prove those lies so even though i i

3708
02:27:49,270 --> 02:27:46,800
you know it sounds like i'm

3709
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,280
contradicting myself i use government

3710
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:51,600
documents to prove those lies

3711
02:27:56,230 --> 02:27:53,760
and so if you believe the atip story

3712
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:56,240
that it's largely unclassified and harry

3713
02:28:02,230 --> 02:27:59,359
reid said 80 plus is unclassified that

3714
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:02,240
just goes against decades actually more

3715
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:04,080
than a half a century

3716
02:28:09,750 --> 02:28:07,439
of documented true ufo documents it

3717
02:28:11,910 --> 02:28:09,760
rewrites all of that and just kind of

3718
02:28:15,030 --> 02:28:11,920
creates this whole brand new narrative

3719
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:15,040
to me that doesn't make sense so yeah at

3720
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:17,040
this point if people want to label me

3721
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:19,600
skeptical i absolutely am but there's

3722
02:28:22,389 --> 02:28:20,880
nothing wrong with that or at least

3723
02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:22,399
there shouldn't be anything wrong with

3724
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:24,160
that there's a lot of unanswered

3725
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:26,080
questions that if you just look at the

3726
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:28,080
surface story

3727
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:29,760
it makes me look like a bad guy if you

3728
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:31,359
start to dig in and realize there's a

3729
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:33,439
lot of discrepancies then you realize

3730
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:35,040
well i think we should ask a few more

3731
02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:37,280
questions and keep going after this

3732
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,399
doesn't mean that i'm trying to make

3733
02:28:43,190 --> 02:28:40,560
anybody look bad it just means we need

3734
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:43,200
to follow a journalistic standard to try

3735
02:28:49,750 --> 02:28:46,399
and find something to confirm what these

3736
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:51,429
can i get you to hang on for some

3737
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:52,880
overtime

3738
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:55,680
yeah yeah i'm not i'm not ready to stop

3739
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:58,000
john i'm sorry we can't do it i'm not

3740
02:29:02,230 --> 02:29:00,319
gonna do it i'm here i'm not gonna do it

3741
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:02,240
i'm not gonna do it this is fade to

3742
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block our guest tonight john greenwald

3743
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,359
and let's just keep it going i'm gonna

3744
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3745
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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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this is kjcr at church

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[Music]

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02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:04,630
all right

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02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:07,040
welcome back fade to black i knew this

3835
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:10,319
was gonna happen it's john greenwald

3836
02:34:15,750 --> 02:34:12,720
we ran out of time we've got to get into

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02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:15,760
some overtime and this is this is what's

3838
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,240
really funny here uh john we had a whole

3839
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:20,640
list of stuff tonight and we we didn't

3840
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:22,560
get to any of it

3841
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:26,319
yeah i noticed that oh man all right so

3842
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:28,720
i want to stay on where we are and i

3843
02:34:33,750 --> 02:34:31,280
wasn't gonna say anything about this but

3844
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:33,760
um you know you're you know you you just

3845
02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:36,720
mentioned uh that you have uh you know

3846
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:39,359
reached out uh to to the stars now

3847
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,000
lozando too to ask some very important

3848
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,720
questions well on sunday

3849
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:47,359
i spoke with tom delong now i'm not

3850
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:50,080
going to get into any details of that

3851
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:51,760
conversation because it's a private

3852
02:34:55,429 --> 02:34:54,080
phone conversation but he did say one

3853
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:55,439
thing

3854
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:56,880
that uh

3855
02:35:01,270 --> 02:34:59,439
i i'm just gonna put it out there

3856
02:35:02,150 --> 02:35:01,280
that uh

3857
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,160
he

3858
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:04,560
would love to come on to fade to black

3859
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:06,399
as soon as possible to

3860
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:09,040
to discuss his new tv series on history

3861
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:11,280
channel that's gonna premiere next month

3862
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:14,160
and and hopefully uh we'll be able to

3863
02:35:17,510 --> 02:35:15,680
put that together in a couple of weeks

3864
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,520
we'll have tom on the show to talk about

3865
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:19,600
the new series that's great but he did

3866
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:21,680
say one thing to me

3867
02:35:25,750 --> 02:35:24,399
and uh i'm sure he's not gonna mind me

3868
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:25,760
saying this but he said you know what

3869
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:29,120
but jimmy i'm not going to talk about

3870
02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:31,680
any of the current drama

3871
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:34,479
that is going down right now in social

3872
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:35,520
media

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02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:36,479
and

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02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:43,840
don't know if it's because of what went

3875
02:35:47,190 --> 02:35:45,439
down on rogan

3876
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:47,200
and and ev you know that they want to

3877
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:49,680
play into the safe zone and just discuss

3878
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:52,080
the new series which i fully understand

3879
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:53,040
why

3880
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:56,399
but i i think that they they seriously

3881
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:59,439
need to control their own narrative

3882
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:01,680
because it has spun out of control and

3883
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:04,319
the waters are completely muddy and i

3884
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:05,359
don't think you should take it

3885
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,600
personally john but i i think that uh it

3886
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:11,600
it got away from him a little bit don't

3887
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:13,359
you think

3888
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,760
well here's what i would say to that uh

3889
02:36:20,070 --> 02:36:17,600
in that it's not that i

3890
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:20,080
am offended that they won't talk to me i

3891
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:22,479
think that it's more of a letdown that

3892
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:24,080
there are certain

3893
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:26,399
contradictions and then what i call red

3894
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:29,200
flags uh questions that i think need to

3895
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:31,040
be addressed whether it be to me or you

3896
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:34,160
or whomever i think that these questions

3897
02:36:39,349 --> 02:36:36,960
need to be asked and again there may be

3898
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:39,359
very easy answers for them

3899
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:40,399
on

3900
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:41,840
some of the inner

3901
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:44,319
logistics of how this all went down

3902
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,840
but i'll give you i wasn't planning on

3903
02:36:49,510 --> 02:36:47,040
doing this but i'll give you a sneak

3904
02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:49,520
peek at what i'm creating right now

3905
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:51,280
and what i'm creating right now you and

3906
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:52,640
i haven't even talked about this off the

3907
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:53,439
air

3908
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:56,640
is um a timeline

3909
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:59,280
of what we know about atip right down to

3910
02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:01,680
the sources that gave us

3911
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:03,600
those little tidbits that we can piece

3912
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,720
together

3913
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,319
so i know there's a lot of bloggers out

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02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:08,560
there that are putting together articles

3915
02:37:12,550 --> 02:37:10,560
i've tried to to to make some sense of

3916
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:12,560
it with documents so now i'm creating a

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02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:14,560
timeline and i'm going to all these

3918
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:16,240
sources and i'll be honest with you not

3919
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:18,240
even talking about government stuff like

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02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:20,640
away from foia and this goes to the

3921
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,240
heart of people attacking me saying what

3922
02:37:26,630 --> 02:37:24,319
do you think the foia is everything and

3923
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:26,640
the government's word is gospel no that

3924
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:29,760
that's actually not not it i will take

3925
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:32,640
just the newspaper articles based on

3926
02:37:36,550 --> 02:37:35,120
their conversations with mr elizondo and

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02:37:40,150 --> 02:37:36,560
or people from

3928
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,160
ttsa mr elizondo's slides that he has

3929
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:42,399
done at the presentations that i've been

3930
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:44,000
able to get videos of

3931
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:45,840
and i'm creating the timeline and i

3932
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:47,600
can't tell you how many errors i keep

3933
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:50,720
finding that things don't make sense not

3934
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:52,640
because of what the government told me

3935
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:54,399
but because of what we have been told

3936
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:56,640
from these public sources now who's to

3937
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:58,640
blame for that i don't know but i'm

3938
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:00,640
throwing it out there and i'll

3939
02:38:05,510 --> 02:38:03,920
give me a week or two uh if not earlier

3940
02:38:07,030 --> 02:38:05,520
but i'll put this timeline out there and

3941
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:07,040
it's all sourced and

3942
02:38:10,790 --> 02:38:09,280
and links to the source articles and the

3943
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:10,800
source information

3944
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:12,560
and when you look at it on a timeline

3945
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:14,960
you go wow no wonder it doesn't make

3946
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:15,840
sense

3947
02:38:20,790 --> 02:38:18,640
so again that surface story sounds great

3948
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:20,800
but when you start looking into what has

3949
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:21,920
been said

3950
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:24,160
and the variations of what it how it's

3951
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:26,640
been said and then yeah if you sprinkle

3952
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:28,640
in the government documents that we have

3953
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,160
been able to get

3954
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:32,640
in the form of the the bid solicitation

3955
02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:35,840
for what atip allegedly was which was

3956
02:38:39,910 --> 02:38:38,000
the ossap program when you start putting

3957
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:39,920
it all on a timeline there's a lot of

3958
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:42,160
discrepancies that don't make sense and

3959
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:44,000
so that's just not me trying to put

3960
02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:46,800
anyone down that's me using sources that

3961
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:49,120
anybody can look at trying to put it in

3962
02:38:53,590 --> 02:38:51,680
a cohesive timeline to start to paint a

3963
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:53,600
picture and it's near impossible you

3964
02:38:58,389 --> 02:38:55,680
can't do it so i have multiple

3965
02:39:00,870 --> 02:38:58,399
placeholders on this timeline

3966
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:00,880
for pretty much the same fact

3967
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,600
so why is that you know i mean it should

3968
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:05,520
all kind of line up together and it

3969
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,399
doesn't and so when you when you really

3970
02:39:12,630 --> 02:39:10,399
dig deep into this

3971
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:12,640
it's it's a challenge and i'll throw out

3972
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:14,319
one other thing that i don't know if

3973
02:39:17,670 --> 02:39:15,760
you're aware of but i discovered some

3974
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:17,680
documents about what's called a project

3975
02:39:20,710 --> 02:39:18,800
outgrowth

3976
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:20,720
and the reason why i bring this up is

3977
02:39:24,389 --> 02:39:23,359
there's been a lot of reporting

3978
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:24,399
in the media

3979
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:26,399
and a lot of discussion especially by

3980
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:27,680
some bloggers

3981
02:39:32,070 --> 02:39:29,040
that really want to give a lot of

3982
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:32,080
attention to atip and and these 38

3983
02:39:37,190 --> 02:39:34,000
reports that the defense intelligence

3984
02:39:40,469 --> 02:39:37,200
agency has released a list on

3985
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:40,479
and project outgrowth was in the 1970s

3986
02:39:45,830 --> 02:39:43,280
and it was a forward projection research

3987
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:45,840
program that looked at primarily

3988
02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:47,840
propulsion concepts

3989
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:50,240
in a forward-looking method out through

3990
02:39:54,870 --> 02:39:52,479
the next 30 to 40 years

3991
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:54,880
now if you look at what even mr elizondo

3992
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:58,000
is saying atip was it's nearly identical

3993
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:00,160
wording and they actually go into the

3994
02:40:06,150 --> 02:40:03,040
paranormal phenomena including aircraft

3995
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:06,160
propulsion by the use of psychokinesis

3996
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:08,080
and the power of the mind and the

3997
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,520
supernatural

3998
02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:12,399
and so it's but no ufo aspect

3999
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:15,680
if you do the math it's about 36 37

4000
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:18,560
years again forward projecting 30 to 40

4001
02:40:22,389 --> 02:40:19,439
years

4002
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:22,399
to when the ossap bid solicitation went

4003
02:40:26,389 --> 02:40:24,319
online am i saying that that's the

4004
02:40:28,710 --> 02:40:26,399
precursor project no am i saying it's

4005
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:28,720
identical no what i am saying though is

4006
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:30,640
history shows us that something like

4007
02:40:34,550 --> 02:40:31,760
atip

4008
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:34,560
if it turns out with no ufo connection

4009
02:40:39,110 --> 02:40:36,479
has existed before

4010
02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:39,120
forward thinking decades into the future

4011
02:40:43,990 --> 02:40:42,000
on advanced propulsion concepts going

4012
02:40:46,710 --> 02:40:44,000
all the way right up to paranormal

4013
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:46,720
phenomena including psychokinesis all

4014
02:40:51,590 --> 02:40:49,120
that is documented there's no leaked

4015
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:51,600
document no whistleblower obtained

4016
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,680
through the freedom of information act

4017
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:55,439
so my whole point is is that we can't

4018
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:57,200
get too excited yet

4019
02:41:02,309 --> 02:40:59,680
about some of these reports uh report

4020
02:41:04,389 --> 02:41:02,319
titles that have been reported on

4021
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:04,399
because we don't know the context of how

4022
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,640
they were put into atip

4023
02:41:11,270 --> 02:41:08,479
that's not me trying to be a skeptic

4024
02:41:13,110 --> 02:41:11,280
that's me following the documentation

4025
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:13,120
and the proven history

4026
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,359
how did uh

4027
02:41:21,030 --> 02:41:17,520
how did

4028
02:41:23,270 --> 02:41:21,040
the funding i don't want to i don't want

4029
02:41:25,349 --> 02:41:23,280
to name names or point fingers and i

4030
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:25,359
certainly don't want to uh ruffle

4031
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:26,479
feathers

4032
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:30,160
but when you have a 22 million dollar

4033
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:32,640
project that's a federal project that's

4034
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:34,319
about to get funded

4035
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:37,359
how does that get funded could i have

4036
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,040
bidded on that project could could uh

4037
02:41:46,389 --> 02:41:43,520
the game changer network inc

4038
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:46,399
uh have gotten in on that bid and i

4039
02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:48,560
could have put my own team of experts

4040
02:41:51,830 --> 02:41:50,319
together

4041
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:51,840
well you would have to meet their

4042
02:41:55,270 --> 02:41:54,240
prerequisites two bit on the contract

4043
02:41:58,469 --> 02:41:55,280
but

4044
02:42:01,590 --> 02:41:58,479
it was an open bid and that also kind of

4045
02:42:04,710 --> 02:42:01,600
contradicts this whole classified

4046
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:04,720
too too dark to to to release to the

4047
02:42:09,270 --> 02:42:07,439
public the official bid announcement

4048
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:09,280
went out on a public server it was

4049
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:11,200
unclassified there was no mention of

4050
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:13,200
ufos or paranormal

4051
02:42:17,190 --> 02:42:14,880
phenomena by the way

4052
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:17,200
but the osap or what was considered the

4053
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:19,920
precursor program to atip and again this

4054
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:21,520
is where one of the discrepancies comes

4055
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:23,680
in actually a couple of them as i create

4056
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:25,840
this timeline because it depends on who

4057
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,080
you listen to some things it's the same

4058
02:42:31,750 --> 02:42:30,319
program others think it's different but

4059
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:31,760
my whole point is

4060
02:42:37,030 --> 02:42:34,800
is that anybody any corporation that's

4061
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:37,040
cleared up through a top secret level

4062
02:42:41,110 --> 02:42:38,240
because obviously they're dealing with

4063
02:42:43,030 --> 02:42:41,120
propulsion systems advanced aircraft and

4064
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:43,040
so on so you're going to deal with

4065
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:44,560
classified information that that's a

4066
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:47,200
given could have been on that contract

4067
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:49,760
what dia confirmed to me in the last few

4068
02:42:54,630 --> 02:42:52,560
weeks the defense intelligence agency

4069
02:42:56,309 --> 02:42:54,640
this had never been out before

4070
02:42:57,750 --> 02:42:56,319
but i was shooting a television series

4071
02:42:59,110 --> 02:42:57,760
and in the interest of accuracy i

4072
02:43:03,190 --> 02:42:59,120
reached out to their public affairs

4073
02:43:05,429 --> 02:43:03,200
office right and i said uh you know i'm

4074
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:05,439
working on this series i wanted to

4075
02:43:10,630 --> 02:43:07,680
clarify a few things the short of it is

4076
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:10,640
they said that bigelow aerospace or bass

4077
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:12,800
which was the llc that was under bigelow

4078
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:14,000
aerospace

4079
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:17,680
uh was the sole bidder there was no one

4080
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:20,560
else that bid on on the contract now i

4081
02:43:24,870 --> 02:43:22,560
saw him say that and i thought that

4082
02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:24,880
can't be true this was a public bid

4083
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:26,800
solicitation i mean in the world of

4084
02:43:32,389 --> 02:43:30,160
cutthroat corporate uh drama

4085
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:32,399
you're telling me that for millions of

4086
02:43:37,750 --> 02:43:34,800
dollars on a contract that not a single

4087
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:37,760
other bidder you know put in a a bid for

4088
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:40,560
this and so i i triple checked with him

4089
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:43,120
i said so let me just be blunt so you're

4090
02:43:47,750 --> 02:43:45,520
saying that this solicitation notice

4091
02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:47,760
goes out for ossap which again is

4092
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:50,960
uh connected a tip that bigelow

4093
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:53,920
aerospace was the only one that cared to

4094
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:55,920
bid on this contract

4095
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:58,319
and and they confirmed yes

4096
02:44:02,870 --> 02:44:00,000
now that goes against the story that

4097
02:44:05,269 --> 02:44:02,880
we've heard uh that that potentially

4098
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:05,279
lockheed martin had um

4099
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:07,279
a bid on this contract as well right and

4100
02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:08,720
i'm not trying to throw anybody under

4101
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:10,160
the bus and say you're wrong or you're

4102
02:44:15,590 --> 02:44:12,000
wrong or you're wrong but again it's

4103
02:44:17,830 --> 02:44:15,600
that timeline and trying to make sense

4104
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:17,840
out of what we have been told from the

4105
02:44:21,190 --> 02:44:19,040
media

4106
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:21,200
from to the stars academy and from the

4107
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:22,800
government as well

4108
02:44:26,630 --> 02:44:24,640
and it's like you have to pick someone

4109
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:26,640
to believe and it's really hard because

4110
02:44:31,750 --> 02:44:28,960
you can you can find discrepancies with

4111
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:31,760
all of them and so the bottom line is

4112
02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:34,640
it's that muddy water dilemma who do we

4113
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:36,880
believe and at what point

4114
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:39,200
is the water so muddy it doesn't matter

4115
02:44:43,750 --> 02:44:41,439
what comes out anymore because at this

4116
02:44:45,670 --> 02:44:43,760
point who's going to believe it there

4117
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:45,680
are too many contradictions let me see

4118
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:48,319
if i'm understanding you correctly

4119
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:52,080
the original new york times article

4120
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:57,910
in december

4121
02:45:03,750 --> 02:45:00,880
that that article which clearly didn't

4122
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:03,760
suggest it stated that the government

4123
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:06,560
had a top secret ufo program and was

4124
02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:08,560
currently investigating

4125
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:10,720
ufos and it was a 22 million dollar

4126
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:13,760
project that that top secret project

4127
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:17,840
alluded to in the new york times article

4128
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:18,880
was

4129
02:45:23,269 --> 02:45:20,560
a publicly

4130
02:45:26,550 --> 02:45:23,279
bidded on program

4131
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:26,560
that bass grabbed for 22 million dollars

4132
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:29,200
in my understanding you correctly

4133
02:45:34,630 --> 02:45:32,160
uh that is correct uh a couple minor

4134
02:45:38,309 --> 02:45:34,640
things the new york times never did say

4135
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:38,319
top secret politico said secret um

4136
02:45:43,910 --> 02:45:40,479
sounds like semantics but that is an

4137
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:45,990
but why it's important is the entire

4138
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,120
program uh was public it was publicly no

4139
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:51,920
you know uh publicly posted and when it

4140
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:55,200
was reported that bigelow got it uh and

4141
02:45:59,750 --> 02:45:57,520
credit to george knapp for the story and

4142
02:46:01,670 --> 02:45:59,760
he ran it uh one of the original

4143
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:01,680
documents that he showed i'm not sure of

4144
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:04,080
the source of exactly where he got it

4145
02:46:08,309 --> 02:46:06,960
showed 10 million and not 22 million so

4146
02:46:11,190 --> 02:46:08,319
then the question mark is well where's

4147
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:11,200
the other 12 million and you know did

4148
02:46:16,309 --> 02:46:14,240
the 10 million fund the 38 documents

4149
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,319
that uh that the defense intelligence

4150
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:18,399
has released so there's a lot of

4151
02:46:22,790 --> 02:46:20,960
unanswered questions there and and when

4152
02:46:24,070 --> 02:46:22,800
you again read the new york times

4153
02:46:26,630 --> 02:46:24,080
article then and they're saying that

4154
02:46:29,429 --> 02:46:26,640
primarily 22 million dollars

4155
02:46:31,590 --> 02:46:29,439
went to bigelow aerospace well that's

4156
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:31,600
not really true because another media

4157
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:33,680
source says well it was 10 million so

4158
02:46:38,230 --> 02:46:35,520
did they have multiple contracts or what

4159
02:46:40,150 --> 02:46:38,240
so so many unanswered questions when it

4160
02:46:43,349 --> 02:46:40,160
comes to following the money and where

4161
02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:43,359
did it go and then what happened in 2012

4162
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:44,560
where are they going to pull the money

4163
02:46:48,070 --> 02:46:46,319
from and that's another big question

4164
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:48,080
mark that i've always had

4165
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:50,319
with mr elizondo stating that even

4166
02:46:53,349 --> 02:46:51,920
though the government says that it ended

4167
02:46:54,950 --> 02:46:53,359
in 2012

4168
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:54,960
and we've gotten that from the pentagon

4169
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:56,319
and we've gotten that from the defense

4170
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:58,560
intelligence agency they have both said

4171
02:47:01,670 --> 02:47:00,000
the same thing

4172
02:47:04,389 --> 02:47:01,680
the question mark is where how do you

4173
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,399
fund a program that's been canceled

4174
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:06,800
so is the pentagon lying is the dia

4175
02:47:08,870 --> 02:47:07,760
lying

4176
02:47:12,389 --> 02:47:08,880
or

4177
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:12,399
how are they shifting potentially

4178
02:47:17,269 --> 02:47:14,160
hundreds of thousands millions i mean

4179
02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:17,279
what's the question mark uh into funding

4180
02:47:20,950 --> 02:47:19,439
atip for another

4181
02:47:22,469 --> 02:47:20,960
seven years he's saying that it's still

4182
02:47:23,830 --> 02:47:22,479
going on today potentially with a

4183
02:47:24,550 --> 02:47:23,840
different name

4184
02:47:27,590 --> 02:47:24,560
so

4185
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:27,600
you know it it's a it's a very hard

4186
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:29,840
thing to track down when you're getting

4187
02:47:34,710 --> 02:47:32,720
variations of the same story okay i'm

4188
02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:34,720
trying to i'm trying to follow this and

4189
02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:36,960
i mean yeah i'm starting to challenge

4190
02:47:44,710 --> 02:47:41,200
isn't it it is now okay so i i'm trying

4191
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:44,720
to for transparency here for my own mind

4192
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:47,040
i need to understand what is going on

4193
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:52,160
here was elizondo sitting in an office

4194
02:47:56,950 --> 02:47:55,120
working for osd inside of the pentagon

4195
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:56,960
or a government-owned building in

4196
02:48:03,670 --> 02:47:59,439
washington dc running atip

4197
02:48:06,950 --> 02:48:03,680
or was a tip and asap were these

4198
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:06,960
was this a private venture through bass

4199
02:48:12,230 --> 02:48:09,600
and was elizondo indeed not in

4200
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:12,240
washington dc but potentially working

4201
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:14,240
out of las vegas

4202
02:48:16,950 --> 02:48:16,000
i i don't understand what's going on

4203
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:16,960
here

4204
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:19,520
and well you and me both and that that

4205
02:48:24,070 --> 02:48:20,880
not to catch up but that's a big

4206
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:24,080
unanswered question is what what was

4207
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:26,000
a tip you know i mean did it tie back to

4208
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:27,840
ossap and was it contracted out because

4209
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:30,240
if it's contracted out

4210
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:33,200
then yes you'll have oversight but you

4211
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:34,880
don't necessarily have a guy who's

4212
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,479
working 24 hours a day on that

4213
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,240
particular project and the pentagon

4214
02:48:42,710 --> 02:48:40,479
right when it has been contracted out to

4215
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:42,720
a private contractor so it all is going

4216
02:48:45,910 --> 02:48:44,479
to come down to what the contract

4217
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:45,920
stipulated

4218
02:48:50,070 --> 02:48:48,720
uh when it came to atip i mean here's

4219
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:50,080
another kind of weird one and i don't

4220
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:51,680
have an answer to you but i'll throw it

4221
02:48:56,230 --> 02:48:53,520
out that not a lot of people talk about

4222
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:56,240
the new york times reported that

4223
02:49:02,070 --> 02:48:59,760
it was 2007 to 2012

4224
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:02,080
that um that atip

4225
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:04,560
was around uh the the when you listen

4226
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:06,479
and and mr elizondo was the source for

4227
02:49:10,309 --> 02:49:08,000
that i i don't think that that is

4228
02:49:11,830 --> 02:49:10,319
disputed if anybody wants to disagree

4229
02:49:12,870 --> 02:49:11,840
please please please i will correct

4230
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:12,880
myself

4231
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:14,640
but i i believe it's common knowledge

4232
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:16,080
that mr elizondo worked with the new

4233
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:18,000
york times and the three authors and

4234
02:49:22,389 --> 02:49:19,760
created that timeline

4235
02:49:24,309 --> 02:49:22,399
yet if asap is connected to atip the

4236
02:49:26,550 --> 02:49:24,319
public solicitation notice didn't go up

4237
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:26,560
until august of 2008.

4238
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:28,640
so that that's a huge discrepancy right

4239
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:30,479
there and then if you listen to mr

4240
02:49:35,510 --> 02:49:33,040
elizondo's presentations he was saying

4241
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:35,520
asap came around and then when it kind

4242
02:49:39,750 --> 02:49:37,600
of turned more towards the if i

4243
02:49:42,790 --> 02:49:39,760
understand him correctly turned more

4244
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:42,800
towards the ufo aspect to all of this

4245
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:44,960
the name was changed to atip and then in

4246
02:49:47,910 --> 02:49:46,720
2010 went to

4247
02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:47,920
osd

4248
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:48,960
well

4249
02:49:55,990 --> 02:49:52,800
that also contradicts it because atip

4250
02:49:57,750 --> 02:49:56,000
couldn't be around in 2007. so what

4251
02:49:59,990 --> 02:49:57,760
happened with the new york times article

4252
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:00,000
including all of the other places that

4253
02:50:05,429 --> 02:50:03,840
ran that atip was around in 2007. if

4254
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:05,439
they want to argue well well you know

4255
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:07,040
that was a more general statement it was

4256
02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:10,399
asap okay the solicitation didn't go up

4257
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:13,120
until august of 2008. so what ha you

4258
02:50:15,830 --> 02:50:13,920
know

4259
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:15,840
and if you're confused with all of that

4260
02:50:20,870 --> 02:50:18,080
trust me so am i i've been investigating

4261
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:20,880
it and it just doesn't make sense so

4262
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:22,800
i've always disagreed with the pentagon

4263
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:25,200
statement that it was the same program i

4264
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:26,720
i never bought that and i think i said

4265
02:50:30,550 --> 02:50:28,800
that on your show before and written

4266
02:50:33,750 --> 02:50:30,560
about it right i never thought it was

4267
02:50:36,790 --> 02:50:33,760
the same program uh but you can't now mr

4268
02:50:39,590 --> 02:50:36,800
elizondo stated that ossap was first

4269
02:50:42,389 --> 02:50:39,600
atip came second okay ossap was

4270
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:42,399
established as a concept in 2008 in

4271
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:45,760
august so how can atip start in 2007 if

4272
02:50:51,110 --> 02:50:48,560
mr elizondo said atip came after asap

4273
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:51,120
confused much so am i

4274
02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:54,399
again may have an easy answer but i i i

4275
02:50:58,309 --> 02:50:56,399
can't i can't figure it out

4276
02:51:02,710 --> 02:50:58,319
isn't that a

4277
02:51:05,110 --> 02:51:02,720
a basic question that should be asked of

4278
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:05,120
lewis uh or

4279
02:51:09,349 --> 02:51:07,359
shouldn't it be a basic statement from

4280
02:51:12,070 --> 02:51:09,359
lewis as to

4281
02:51:12,950 --> 02:51:12,080
where he was employed

4282
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:12,960
right

4283
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:15,200
i mean well no and in fairness to him he

4284
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:16,800
has stated where he is employed and that

4285
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:18,640
was confirmed by

4286
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:20,319
my appeal letter last week no i'm

4287
02:51:23,750 --> 02:51:22,080
talking about physically where did he

4288
02:51:25,830 --> 02:51:23,760
drive to work every day

4289
02:51:28,230 --> 02:51:25,840
wow from what i understand the pentagon

4290
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:28,240
right that doesn't make any sense so he

4291
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:30,240
was over that's correct

4292
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:32,560
that doesn't make any sense if if atip

4293
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:33,920
and asap

4294
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:36,960
were being funded through

4295
02:51:42,150 --> 02:51:39,600
bass out of las vegas

4296
02:51:45,190 --> 02:51:42,160
and correct and this is the next point

4297
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:45,200
those 38 reports that were written

4298
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,479
right or 38 reports 38 theories i should

4299
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:50,240
say actually

4300
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:52,240
um yeah and there were reports in

4301
02:51:56,550 --> 02:51:54,880
fairness but yeah okay all right um it's

4302
02:51:58,830 --> 02:51:56,560
it's great science fiction it's it's

4303
02:52:03,190 --> 02:51:58,840
amazing stuff but

4304
02:52:04,950 --> 02:52:03,200
uh did he have oversight over those

4305
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:04,960
reports or whether

4306
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:05,840
the

4307
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:07,920
reports were

4308
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:09,520
directed by

4309
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:10,960
by bass

4310
02:52:16,870 --> 02:52:14,160
i don't understand that part and okay

4311
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:16,880
this and i have an answer to that uh and

4312
02:52:24,309 --> 02:52:18,319
this is where

4313
02:52:26,309 --> 02:52:24,319
lecture in las vegas comes into play

4314
02:52:28,790 --> 02:52:26,319
that according to dr put off he said

4315
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:28,800
that he is the one that made the call

4316
02:52:33,429 --> 02:52:30,880
and shelled out the 38 contracts to

4317
02:52:36,070 --> 02:52:33,439
write those 38 reports that's him saying

4318
02:52:38,070 --> 02:52:36,080
that not me so if that's the case and he

4319
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:38,080
says as a contractor

4320
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:39,680
and i'm a little bit paraphrasing so i

4321
02:52:43,190 --> 02:52:40,960
want to be fair here i'm not going to

4322
02:52:44,790 --> 02:52:43,200
read the whole quote to you but i do

4323
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:44,800
invite you to

4324
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:46,880
whomever is listening to look up the the

4325
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:48,319
transcript because there are transcripts

4326
02:52:51,910 --> 02:52:49,200
out there

4327
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:51,920
of what his presentation was in vegas

4328
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:54,560
but paraphrasing that he was the one

4329
02:52:58,469 --> 02:52:56,640
that picked the 38 reports as a

4330
02:53:00,630 --> 02:52:58,479
subcontractor okay so we know that

4331
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:00,640
that's bass which means that bass made

4332
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:01,760
the call

4333
02:53:06,790 --> 02:53:04,479
so with that being said now we have the

4334
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:06,800
subcontractor making the call

4335
02:53:12,389 --> 02:53:09,359
of what those reports were

4336
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:12,399
now look at all the media reports and i

4337
02:53:17,030 --> 02:53:14,479
believe it was january of this year that

4338
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:17,040
broke when we all got the document under

4339
02:53:23,110 --> 02:53:19,920
foia and nick pope got it through the

4340
02:53:25,190 --> 02:53:23,120
congressional uh affairs office

4341
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:25,200
or yeah excuse me the corporate affairs

4342
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:26,960
office for dia so in essence it's like

4343
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:28,640
the public affairs office

4344
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:31,600
and so he got it emailed he was credit

4345
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:33,840
to him was the first one that got it

4346
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:36,240
digitally he put it out on twitter and

4347
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:38,720
then there was a media firestorm about

4348
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:42,399
publicizing it but here's here's where i

4349
02:53:48,150 --> 02:53:45,200
i blame no one but the media

4350
02:53:49,830 --> 02:53:48,160
is that they started saying the dia

4351
02:53:52,790 --> 02:53:49,840
is the one that essentially created

4352
02:53:54,150 --> 02:53:52,800
these reports that's technically not

4353
02:53:56,230 --> 02:53:54,160
really true

4354
02:53:58,630 --> 02:53:56,240
because they shelled that contract out

4355
02:54:02,309 --> 02:53:58,640
to a private contractor and according to

4356
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:02,319
dr put off in his in his uh presentation

4357
02:54:05,429 --> 02:54:03,920
he was the one that made the call

4358
02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:05,439
through bass

4359
02:54:10,230 --> 02:54:07,920
now that's not saying every anybody is

4360
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:10,240
bad here or wrong i'm just saying we

4361
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:12,800
have to be accurate so it's not accurate

4362
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:15,840
to say the dia's upper echelon said

4363
02:54:21,830 --> 02:54:18,640
we want a report on a warp drive right

4364
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:21,840
we want a report on the drake equation

4365
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,439
we want xyz

4366
02:54:29,190 --> 02:54:25,840
we can't say that yet did they ask dr

4367
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:29,200
put off to to do those maybe and dr uh

4368
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:31,760
put off didn't go into those uh details

4369
02:54:34,389 --> 02:54:33,120
and that's fine that could that would be

4370
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:34,399
a great answer

4371
02:54:38,950 --> 02:54:36,479
but at this point it's premature and the

4372
02:54:40,469 --> 02:54:38,960
way that that presentation unfolded very

4373
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:40,479
much seemed like he made the call

4374
02:54:45,030 --> 02:54:43,120
through bass and so it's inaccurate on

4375
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:45,040
the media's side

4376
02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:47,680
to start saying dia did this well that's

4377
02:54:52,710 --> 02:54:49,840
not technically true they shelled out

4378
02:54:54,870 --> 02:54:52,720
the contract but then the question is

4379
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:54,880
who overlooked it

4380
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:56,960
because i think mr elizondo's time frame

4381
02:55:01,590 --> 02:54:59,040
came later he wasn't involved since day

4382
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:01,600
one so those reports that we saw and i

4383
02:55:07,429 --> 02:55:04,240
have this confirmed in writing from dia

4384
02:55:10,790 --> 02:55:07,439
mostly came in fiscal year 2009

4385
02:55:13,510 --> 02:55:10,800
and then the rest in 2010 and then 2010

4386
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:13,520
atip was transferred out of the dia into

4387
02:55:18,309 --> 02:55:16,000
osd and i believe that that's where mr

4388
02:55:20,230 --> 02:55:18,319
elizondo has come into play i don't

4389
02:55:21,190 --> 02:55:20,240
think he was involved during the dia

4390
02:55:23,750 --> 02:55:21,200
years

4391
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:23,760
i've scoured his transcripts i have yet

4392
02:55:29,269 --> 02:55:25,520
to be able to really

4393
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:29,279
confirm if he's ever said you know in

4394
02:55:35,750 --> 02:55:33,359
january of 2010 i i joined atip at osd i

4395
02:55:37,269 --> 02:55:35,760
i i don't have an exact date if anybody

4396
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:37,279
knows it please please let me know i

4397
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:39,520
mean i'm i'm not stating uh that he's

4398
02:55:44,309 --> 02:55:42,080
never said it i just have never found it

4399
02:55:46,630 --> 02:55:44,319
so there's no time stamp of when he

4400
02:55:49,510 --> 02:55:46,640
started on the atip program i can only

4401
02:55:50,630 --> 02:55:49,520
assume is when it transferred over to

4402
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:50,640
osd

4403
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:53,200
and so you've got a lot of misreporting

4404
02:55:58,469 --> 02:55:55,279
by the media i blame the media more than

4405
02:56:00,870 --> 02:55:58,479
anything else when it comes to bad ufo

4406
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:00,880
reporting i think it's awful uh not only

4407
02:56:06,389 --> 02:56:02,960
just with atip but like everything

4408
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:06,399
and so when you again dig beyond the

4409
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:08,000
surface story

4410
02:56:12,389 --> 02:56:09,760
and you start seeing these questions and

4411
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:12,399
these discrepancies we have to be

4412
02:56:17,910 --> 02:56:15,600
comfortable to ask the question

4413
02:56:20,630 --> 02:56:17,920
and in the same sentence i'd like to say

4414
02:56:23,429 --> 02:56:20,640
they meaning to the stars has to be

4415
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:23,439
comfortable to address that drama

4416
02:56:26,790 --> 02:56:25,040
there's nothing wrong with asking a

4417
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,800
question because i think the majority of

4418
02:56:31,269 --> 02:56:29,279
this is unclassified if it's all

4419
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:31,279
classified and they can't talk about it

4420
02:56:35,670 --> 02:56:32,800
then they have to denounce what senator

4421
02:56:37,269 --> 02:56:35,680
harry reid said that the 80 plus percent

4422
02:56:38,870 --> 02:56:37,279
is unclassified

4423
02:56:41,110 --> 02:56:38,880
you know so there's that's where that

4424
02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:41,120
discrepancy comes in you can't hide

4425
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:44,000
behind the shroud of secrecy when you

4426
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:46,399
have a former senator who's an advocate

4427
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:48,800
for what you're doing stating that 80 of

4428
02:56:52,870 --> 02:56:50,720
the program is unclassified

4429
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:52,880
right those things don't go hand in hand

4430
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:55,359
so i think that they shouldn't be afraid

4431
02:56:58,790 --> 02:56:57,520
to address some of that drama

4432
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:58,800
because there are

4433
02:57:03,510 --> 02:57:01,600
phenomenal questions out there uh that

4434
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:03,520
not only i have but but others as well

4435
02:57:06,230 --> 02:57:05,120
i'm not the only one

4436
02:57:08,230 --> 02:57:06,240
and we have to look at these

4437
02:57:10,070 --> 02:57:08,240
discrepancies and figure it out they may

4438
02:57:13,830 --> 02:57:10,080
have easy answers but until they're

4439
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:13,840
willing to look at it and address it

4440
02:57:17,670 --> 02:57:15,680
there's going to be a lot of speculation

4441
02:57:18,790 --> 02:57:17,680
and i hate speculating

4442
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:18,800
john

4443
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:20,800
we have here we are it's going to be two

4444
02:57:24,230 --> 02:57:23,040
years coming up in december uh since all

4445
02:57:26,469 --> 02:57:24,240
of this happened

4446
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:26,479
and we thought that we were getting

4447
02:57:31,030 --> 02:57:29,439
answers back in december 2017 and it was

4448
02:57:34,710 --> 02:57:31,040
a brand new day

4449
02:57:36,710 --> 02:57:34,720
and here we are rolling through 2019

4450
02:57:38,790 --> 02:57:36,720
with uh uh

4451
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:38,800
more questions than we had before

4452
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:40,800
absolutely insane situation we find

4453
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:44,000
ourselves in well the new book well uh

4454
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:46,640
uh go ahead go ahead 15 seconds really

4455
02:57:50,550 --> 02:57:48,399
quick because yeah i know you're come

4456
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,560
coming up to the end here all i would

4457
02:57:54,790 --> 02:57:52,800
say is last week's victory is a victory

4458
02:57:56,950 --> 02:57:54,800
for everyone interested in the truth

4459
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:56,960
when it comes to the foia and the fact

4460
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:59,680
that osd accepted two of my foia appeals

4461
02:58:04,150 --> 02:58:01,520
and they are now processing that request

4462
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:04,160
properly i think that is a victory even

4463
02:58:07,510 --> 02:58:05,760
if you disagree with my interpretation

4464
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,520
of what atip was

4465
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:09,600
it that should be

4466
02:58:14,389 --> 02:58:12,319
what is on everyone's mind not to pat me

4467
02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:14,399
on the back i don't care about that i'm

4468
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:17,200
talking about in the sense of the foia

4469
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:19,920
part of this search that's a win for

4470
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:22,160
everyone and i hope people realize that

4471
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:24,960
that even though i have opinions i'm

4472
02:58:29,030 --> 02:58:27,120
still out there pushing for the real

4473
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:29,040
evidence to either support

4474
02:58:34,550 --> 02:58:32,160
or potentially even deny what some of

4475
02:58:37,269 --> 02:58:34,560
these claims really are thank you john

4476
02:58:39,110 --> 02:58:37,279
and the new book is inside the black

4477
02:58:40,429 --> 02:58:39,120
vault you can go to

4478
02:58:42,429 --> 02:58:40,439
inside

4479
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:42,439
theblackvault.com and of course

4480
02:58:46,389 --> 02:58:44,840
theblackvault.com the links are over at

4481
02:58:49,110 --> 02:58:46,399
jimmychurchradio.com and we have

4482
02:58:51,910 --> 02:58:49,120
everything up right there in twitter

4483
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:51,920
john greenwald unbelievable conversation

4484
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:53,120
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4485
02:58:57,269 --> 02:58:55,040
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4486
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:57,279
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4487
02:59:00,870 --> 02:58:58,960
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4488
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4489
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4490
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4491
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:08,319
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4492
02:59:11,990 --> 02:59:10,319
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4493
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4495
02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:17,439
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4496
02:59:21,429 --> 02:59:19,520
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4497
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:21,439
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4498
02:59:24,790 --> 02:59:23,120
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4499
02:59:27,030 --> 02:59:24,800
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4500
02:59:29,590 --> 02:59:27,040
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4501
02:59:31,510 --> 02:59:29,600
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4502
02:59:33,349 --> 02:59:31,520
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4503
02:59:35,750 --> 02:59:33,359
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02:59:37,030 --> 02:59:35,760
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02:59:43,150 --> 02:59:37,040
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